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California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has
dropped plans to hold a thorough investigation into
allegations that he improperly groped women
throughout his movie career, breaking a promise made
to voters just before his election victory in October.
"The issue has become quite too political. He has
apologised and continues to be sincerely sorry for
anyone he has offended, but also thinks the time has
come to move on."
The decision came the same day that one of the 16
women he allegedly groped over three decades ago
filed a lawsuit against Schwarzenegger for libel,
claiming that another campaign spokesman had falsely
portrayed her as a felon in order to discredit her
accusations.
Stunt woman Rhonda Miller filed the suit yesterday in
Los Angeles Superior Court. She claimed unspecified
damages, alleging that Schwarzenegger campaign
spokesman Sean Walsh knowingly directed reporters
investigating her claims to the rap sheet of a different
Rhonda Miller, thereby falsely portraying her as a
felon.
The lawsuit could bring unwelcome publicity to the
actor-turned-politician, who swept to power in a
decisive victory over Democrat Gray Davis but has yet
to push through the extensive fiscal reforms he
promised to voters.
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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger totally recalled his promise yesterday to hire a
private eye to investigate claims he groped at least 16 women.
And the Teutonic Terminator star did so with a dismissive swipe at his accusers.
"I consider those preelection things," Schwarzenegger told CNN, referring to the women's
allegations. "It was rather odd that a few days before the election there were 16 that had
complaints. There is no investigation."
Two days before the election, Schwarzenegger apologized for past "bad behavior" and
promised a probe into the allegations.
Asked if he was breaking a preelection promise, Schwarzenegger said "no."
Quizzed over the libel lawsuit lodged against him by alleged groping victim Rhonda Miller,
Schwarzenegger insisted he was "not familiar with that case."
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Who's Groping Who?
With all of these waitresses shouting "groped!" by Arnold
Schwarzenegger, I submit my own waitress song. I was a
waitress through the 70's and 80's in Mammoth Lakes, a small
town and celebrity ski resort that Arnold visited often. I knew
all the town talk and locals and if there was any groping going
on, women were out to grope Arnold, as proved by what our
local gossip columnist wrote in 1992:
"...Not skiing the top like any girly-girl was the Terminator himself, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, a longtime Mammoth regular. Rumor has it that Arnold's powerful
thighs were responsible for the big slide down Climax. Hey Arnie, if you ever get
tired of that Kennedy/Shriver chick you may want to give Bella a try. (Bella likes her
beefcake.)" [link to full article below] ["Climax" is an advanced ski run]
It must be seriously hard to be a movie star sometimes, or a movie star's wife.
(shaking head)
As far as Mammoth was concerned, Arnold had a sterling reputation as one of the
most gracious to service workers, treating people with courtesy and was very
down-to-earth. He was one of the most loved of all the celebrities that came to
Mammoth. Though Arnold received open invitations bordering on insult, he treated
us with dignity. Ask anyone in Mammoth that was around in those years.
I wrote and posted this before the election, when all the groping accusations hit,
even though I whole-heartedly endorsed Tom McClintock as our next governor
because of his more conservative views.
But this tactic and smear campaign by the Democrats and liberal media is wrong.
I've seen first hand the vicious tactics used by Democrats, I can imagine how long
it took to find a Democrat female to cry grope. About two seconds.
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Alleged Grope Victim Sues Schwarzenegger
LOS ANGELES - A woman who alleged sexual harassment by Arnold
Schwarzenegger filed a libel lawsuit Monday against the governor, saying his staff
falsely suggested in an e-mail that she was a convicted felon.
Rhonda Miller, who alleges the actor groped her when she was working as a
stunt woman, says she has never been arrested and that the false information about her was
broadcast on national television reports.
Her suit seeks unspecified damages.
An attorney for Schwarzenegger, elected despite several similar groping allegations,
dismissed the lawsuit as an attempt to gain publicity, and said he expects it to be
thrown out.
That produced court records for a woman named Rhonda Miller with a long criminal record.
"They destroyed her life for one day's advantage," Hoffman said.
The governor's spokesman, Rob Stutzman, noted that no criminal investigation is under way
into the harassment allegations.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger never once had to grope for the proper word or phrase.
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SANTA CRUZ - While California's
political leaders toasted Arnold
Schwarzenegger as their new
governor Monday, "Lefties for
Arnie" who hope he will loosen the
state's marijuana laws held their
own inauguration party complete
with a "Grope the Governor" display
and tofu bratwurst.
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Carol Norris, 41, was among the "pink" protesters on L and 11th street in Sacramento.
She is a San Francisco member of the International Peace and Social Justice organization,
which is not happy about an alleged "groper" taking office.
Former Auburn resident Janet Wolf-Eshe agreed with the group, although she planned a
separate protest for the inauguration ceremony. Wolf-Eshe, now a Sacramento resident,
held a picket sign stating, "Maria, keep your husband at home so he can't grope women."
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California voters have spoken : Sexual assault is now OK
Good morning, students. In honor of our new governor's
inauguration this week, I decided to teach a refresher class in
sexual phraseology. I start with the following dictionary
definitions:
Grope (slang) -- To handle or fondle for sexual pleasure.
Sexual assault -- Conduct of a sexual or indecent nature toward
another person that is accompanied by actual or threatened
physical force or that induces fear, shame or mental suffering.
Do you note the difference? Groping does not necessarily imply
objection on the part of the gropee. It's a neutral term, a soft
and cuddly word. Even a sexy word. No matter how old you are,
there is nothing more fun than groping, and being groped by, a
date in a dark movie theater balcony.
But sexual assault? That's a whole different category. It's
never been welcome. And it's always illegal.
News media universally adopted the word groping for what
Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger is accused of doing: Grabbing
women's breasts in elevators, fondling secretaries at meetings,
lifting up the sweatshirts of college students at restaurants.
But since none of these women say they invited Schwarzenegger
to indulge in sexual behaviors with them, I think we can say
that what he allegedly did was not grope, but sexually assault.
What's that you say? That he was just having a little fun?
Well, it's true that the man himself shrugged it off to
movie-set behavior, and apologized by conceding that he was
guilty of "behaving badly sometimes." And yes, he did promise
answers after the election, and has now promised to hire a
private investigator to look into the women's charges.
Young man, I understand what you're trying to say: that
Democrats defended President Clinton when he had sexual
relations with women outside his marriage. But as far as I
know, he never sexually assaulted anyone, and his piggish
behaviors with Monica Lewinsky, while betraying his
marriage, were welcomed by his sexual partner.
Judging by some of the stories, some of which, incidentally,
took place just three years ago, it took less than five seconds in
some cases for the alleged groping -- I mean, sexual assault --
to begin.
Class, one of the hardest lessons a young woman can learn is
when to speak up for herself -- and sometimes to raise her
fists. When I was your age I spent a semester in Spain. Fresh
from the PC Bay Area, I was at first freaked out (I can say this
because it was the '70s) by the outright aggression of the men,
who viewed American girls as fresh meat.
I didn't mind the verbal aggression; I just ignored it. But it
took a while to learn how to cope with the physical aggression.
To know that once you entered a crowded bar, or a dance floor,
you were fair game for groping (that word again) hands. By the
time my semester was over, I was a seasoned pro. Anyone who
laid an unwanted hand on me was quickly treated to first an
epithet, a Ninja-like jerking away, and once in a great while,
the back of my hand.
You hear about these women who told the Los Angeles Times
their stories - - how they were cowed and frightened -- and I
wish they'd taken classes in self-defense, or spent a semester
in Spain, too.
Yet, the governor-elect won the election in a landslide. And so
far, the vast majority of Californians don't seem to care about
his treatment of women. So what's the lesson here, class? That
if you're famous and charismatic, different rules apply?
Well, for better or worse, that seems to be true. I've been
asked to let you know that, in honor of the new governor's
inauguration, from now on, all of the definitions I've given you
are null and void. Just assume that groping -- and even sexual
assault! -- are allowable behaviors.
Of course, they will be even more allowable if you are student
body president or captain of the football team. I know there are
many young men here who love and wish to emulate our new
governor, so get out there and start practicing your elevator
attack move.
And for those of you ladies who admire and wish to emulate the
new governor's wife lady, be sure to have your hair
professionally styled, work on sucking in those cheeks, and
start learning the words to "Stand By Your Man." It couldn't
hurt, and it just might help.
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In politics, there are many kinds of kissers.
There are baby kissers who smoochie-oochie wee ones in
exchange, they hope, for their parents' votes. There are butt
kissers who move their lips but aren't exactly puckering up. Then
there are the serial kissers who lock lips with spouses (or
mothers) at inaugurations, on birthdays, anniversaries and
election days, after concession speeches and on the stairs of
private jets. To them, every event is a kissing op.
President George W. Bush's kisser is always in overdrive. If it's
not wife Laura he's bussing, it's mother Barbara, or Oprah
Winfrey, or a lobbyist, or a legislator, the top of a bald guy's
head, somebody else's mother, a grieving kid, a tired firefighter,
etc., etc.
Al and Tipper Gore's long, slow, deep, wet kiss that seemed to
last three days during the 2000 Democratic convention set the
gold standard for political kisses. Gore's campaign gained
momentum in the days after The Kiss. The heat of passion melted
his icy image in a way no debate could, and supporters of the
newly virile Gore wore campaign buttons that captured the
moment.
Maybe he should have saved his moves for Katherine Harris.
"What do you do to top that?" asks Tampa political consultant
Wayne Garcia. "What kind of sexual activity will we see next?"
Indeed, since the Gores' public display of affection, no political
kiss has titillated us the same way. Certainly not Arnold
Schwarzenegger's polite peck with wife Maria Shriver at his
inauguration as California governor. For sure not Sen. Bob
Graham's open-mouth grope of wife Adele after he announced in
early November he would not seek re-election.
Garcia doesn't see the kiss as a political tactic "that has a lot of
legs," but he does think we are seeing more kissing. Or at least
more pictures of kissing politicians.
"It might give them dimensionality beyond the headlines," he
says. "If it's something that's natural, it might help." That said,
Garcia has never discussed kissing as a plan of action with a
candidate.
The public kiss between politicians and spouses has always been
there, he says, but we never paid much attention until Gorelock.
Now it's okay to be passionate, he says.
Make love, not war?
All this talk of smooching sent us to the Associated Press photo
archives for a Peeping Tom tour of political kisses. We found
that a kiss is not just a kiss. Sometimes it's just plain gross.
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Now wowing West End audiences in the show Tell Me On A Sunday, Denise's
sexy long-haired style makes her a showstopper offstage too.
Denise, 29, has the look of a woman with supreme confidence in her powers of
attraction. The same confidence that helped her laugh off a lap dancer's
kiss-and-tell allegations about her boyfriend, Richard Traviss, 33.
In an exclusive interview in this week's M Celebs magazine, Denise says girls are
always throwing themselves at Richard. "They proposition him right in front of
me," she says.
Denise recently got new Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger into a
spot of hot water when tapes of a Big Breakfast interview surfaced, and she
admits it was all her fault: "I said to him, 'I hear you're a bit of a groper... well
grope this' and he did. I hope I didn't get him into trouble!"
We're sure he wasn't complaining.
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Molestation allegation. Sounds so
much slimier than grope 'n' grin.
JACKO distracts. Lets the
GOV4NOW govern. Which ain't
easy.
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has dropped a plan to conduct his own
investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against him, a
spokesman said.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger will hire a private investigator to look into allegations that he
groped women, but he may keep the results from the state attorney general, a spokesman
said Thursday.
Five days before the election, the Los Angeles Times detailed allegations from six women
who said Schwarzenegger groped or sexually harassed them between 1975 and 2000. By the
Oct. 7 election, the number had grown to 16.
In most cases, the women identified in the Los Angeles Times story said they did not tell
law enforcement officials about the incidents because it involved their word as waitresses
and low-level workers on movie sets against that of an internationally known celebrity.
It is most likely not about being "wasted." You do not hire the investigator to find out what
you did. You hire the investigator to find out exactly what can be dug up about what you did
through a thorough investigation. Also, you get an investigation of the people making the
accusations-- their motives, have they made these sorts of accusations before. Is their
regular job faking car accidents and intentionally slipping on floors?
Politicians commonly hire investigaors to find out what the oppsition can dig up on them.
This shows the double standards that the press uses and the Democrats also. If Arnold is
guity it should have beeen espounded upon long ago but I realize by him becoming a politician
just gave it legs,so be it. Bring it out and get to the bottom of it. Now, the same press and
Democrat Party that wants to run with this covered up and refused to even investigate the
claims against Clintons gropping and rape. But one even better,Remember one of our
Presidential candidates promoted a lie in the Brawley case some years back and I believe
Steven Pagonis even won a judgement against him and you never hear a word about it coming
from the press and he is running for the highest office in the land. These are not double
standards coming from the press and Democrats they are outright cover-ups that are proven.
An The Beat Goes On!
Pu-leeze. So he played a little grab-ass on movie sets. What a waste of time and money.
There are more important things for him to do.
Schwarzenegger's reluctance to turn over the results of the investigation stem from
remarks Attorney General Bill Lockyer made earlier Thursday. The Democrat said he advised
Schwarzenegger that the misconduct allegations "are not going to go away" and he should
cooperate with an independent investigation.
This is from California State Attorney General Bill Lockyer, who has officially endorsed
prison rape as extra-judicial punishment in his state's prisons?
Puh-leeeze!!!
Will women be intimidated or killed?
No. They will be terminated.:):)
Seriously, Arnold may have decided to play like a Rat against Rats.
Except that Clinton used the research to destroy the character of his accusers. I suspect
that Arnold is testing his legal and political liability, a preemptive measure. All the
differences in the world between his actions and that of Bill and Hill.
I wonder how many women "groped" Arnold on a movie set over the last twenty years. Also, I
wonder how many of these women allegedly groped by Ahnold are registered REPUBLICANS??
I didn't say that his past actions weren't slimy just because he's a republican! Just that he
will most probably use the information at this point differently. I DO believe that
Republicans are far more likely to discipline their own within the party for wrong-doing and
that Democrats are far more likely to engage in personal destruction. I think that after all
this time, this was much ado about nothing. If there had been evidence of a rape, I would
think differently...
"If that had been my daughter, it wouldn't have taken an election to resolve it. It would have
been up close and personal. We would have taken care of it real quick."
Spacely Cosgrove vs The Terminator? Joke.
ABC ran the clip on GMA this morning. I had to yell at the tv that he supported a rapist... Cruz
is just a litte pig.
Forget about Cruz' daughter, the real question is what would Cruz' sister have done?
"She strapped on a burrito to her loins and called for white men to come up on stage, take a
bite out of the burrito and absolve themselves of 500 years of the white man's guilt."
Who is the she in question?????
Yeah right. What about your sister groping farm animals, Busty?
Whole lotta gropin' goin' on!
See, people are really split on this thing. Like Jamie Lee Curtis, the actress. She said when
they made the movie "True Lies," Arnold was a perfect gentleman. Although Tom Arnold said
that he did grab his breasts.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger's four-day
barnstorming tour through the state rolled out of
San Diego Thursday as fresh allegations surfaced
that he sexually harassed women in the past.
Six women - including a British television host
- accused the Republican action star in
interviews with the Los Angeles Times of
groping them on movie sets and in other settings
over the last three decades, the newspaper
reported in Thursday editions.
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The Times said it interviewed the women over the last seven weeks during an
investigation into whether Schwarzenegger harassed women. None of the women
approached the newspaper on her own or has filed legal action against the actor.
Two of the women allowed their names to be used; four spoke on condition of
anonymity.
E. Laine Stockton told the Times she was groped by Schwarzenegger in 1975 at Gold's
Gym in Venice Beach. Then 19, Stockton claimed the bodybuilder came up from
behind her and reached under her T-shirt to grab her breast, and then silently walked
away.
"I was just shocked, shocked to the point where I almost didn't know how to react,
because it was so out of the blue and so unexpected," she told the newspaper.
Anna Richardson, a British television host, said Schwarzenegger touched her breast
when she was interviewing him in 2000 on a promotional tour for "The Sixth Day."
Richardson, who previously told Premiere magazine about the alleged incident, was
accused by a Hollywood publicist then working with Schwarzenegger of fabricating the
story.
Others interviewed included two crew members working in 1990 on "Terminator 2:
Judgment Day." One woman, now 41, said Schwarzenegger groped her at least three
times in an elevator at the hotel where the cast and crew was staying.
The other woman, now in her 30s, said Schwarzenegger pulled her into his lap and
whispered vulgarities while other men watched, smiling.
Three of the women who spoke on condition of anonymity said being named could
jeopardize their careers; the fourth feared public ridicule or harm to her husband's
business.
Schwarzenegger's alleged past indiscretions have been an issue in the campaign since
he announced his bid for governor. Much of the controversy has surrounded a 1977
interview in Oui magazine in which Schwarzenegger recalled engaging in group sex at
Gold's Gym. The actor has said he doesn't remember the incident.
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Several Women Accuse Schwarzenegger of Grope Attacks over the Years
The "Los Angeles Times" has interviews with six women who accuse him of groping
them on movie sets and other locations over the last 30 years.
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Arnie accuser fears grope inquiry blackout
A woman who said she was groped by Arnold
Schwarzenegger has welcomed the California
governor-elect's call for a private investigation into his
own behaviour but said she was angered by his threat
to keep the results secret.
Schwarzenegger said yesterday he was hiring
investigators to look into the sexual harassment
charges that dogged his election campaign, but said he
may withhold the results after a spat with the state's
attorney-general.
"Now that he is saying he may withhold the
information, that incenses me, that's ridiculous, why
even do it?" said Collette Brooks, who said
Schwarzenegger grabbed her from behind when she
was an intern at CNN in 1982.
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What's a Little Grope Between Friends?..
Where's the Outrage Now?
In the California recall, the right wing's moralistic masters of attack choked on their own
partisanship. These are the people who praised the "courage" of anyone who reported
anything embarrassing about the sex life of a certain former president. Then they painted all
who did not respond with indignation as "apologists" complicit in America's moral decline
and the "death of outrage."
Guess who the apologists were this time? All of a sudden it was Arnold Schwarzenegger
being accused of groping, fondling and humiliating women. Oh, yes, there was outrage on the
right. But it was directed at the Los Angeles Times for investigating and reporting on the
charges. The same folks who had insisted that our leaders should be moral exemplars
were suddenly aghast when a news organization explored the "character" of, well, er, a
Republican. Fox's Bill O'Reilly on Schwarzenegger: "The Los Angeles Times is out to get him,
to destroy him. . . . Most guys have done dopey things with women." Bill O'Reilly on Clinton
during impeachment: "The American people have a right to know everything there is to know
about President Clinton's behavior."
You get the sneaking feeling that the right may come to regret this deal with The
Terminator. Yes, his victory was a triumph over incompetent Democrats who should never
have allowed things to come to this. The World Series of Recrimination is a coming
Democratic attraction. But Schwarzenegger's campaign was a rebuke to partisans of the
Republican right, and not only because they had to eat tens of thousands of their own words
about sex and morality. They were also forced to buy into a political strategy they had
rejected in the past.
As for the Times, it was correct to run its groping story before the election, but far better
had it been published a week or two earlier. Voters have made clear their sensible
preference that the sex lives of politicians be treated as private matters unless an
overwhelming case is made for going public. In this case, Californians were not given time
to decide whether this report was more about sex or more about something closer to
battery. Even with additional time, an electorate desperate for change might still have made
the same choice it did on Tuesday. But by being able to dismiss the charges as a last-minute
hit, Schwarzenegger evaded their public implications.
Conservatives might reasonably argue that Clinton's success in beating impeachment and
Arnold's election both represent the triumph of the Permissive Society. But this week,
conservatives themselves were complicit in its victory. Mark Oct. 7, 2003, as the day
conservatives' moral outrage died.
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Schwarzenegger faces more 'grope' claims
AS the number of women claiming they were groped by Arnold
Schwarzenegger grew to 15, the actor headed for a campaign march in
Sacramento, while Governor Gray Davis signed a law making California the
largest state to require employer-paid health care.
Four more women surfaced yesterday to accuse Schwarzenegger of groping,
spanking or touching them inappropriately, the Los Angeles Times reported.
The latest group included an unidentified 51-year-old woman who said
Schwarzenegger pinned her to him and spanked her repeatedly three years
ago at a West Los Angeles post-production studio.
Three other women named by the newspaper said Schwarzenegger fondled
them in separate incidents outside a Venice gym in the mid 1980s, at a bar
in the late 1970s and on the set of the movie Predatorin 1986.
Schwarzenegger spokesman Sean Walsh dismissed the accounts of three of
the women as untrue. He said the actor had no recollection of the alleged
gym incident.
The newspaper reported on Thursday that six women claimed he groped or
sexually harassed them between 1975 and 2000. After the report was
published, similar allegations surfaced from five other women, including
two who said the actor harassed them on the set of the 1988 film Twins.
Speaking on morning television news shows yesterday, Schwarzenegger
repeated that the harassment allegations and reports that he praised Nazi
leader Adolf Hitler as a young man were desperate last-minute politically
motivated attacks.
Schwarzenegger also denied the newspaper's Twins story as "absolutely
not true". "It's just mean-spirited, and it's just trying to derail my
campaign," he said
He stopped short of denying all the women's accounts, but said none of the
women told him at the time that, "You went over the line now".
Stephanie Minietti, 55, said she wasn't paying attention to the sex
allegations. "It's totally meaningless," she said. "If anything, it's probably
helping him."
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Gov. Gray Davis called for a probe into Arnold Schwarzenegger's groping
yesterday as seven more women accused the actor-turned-politician of
sexual misbehavior - bringing the Terminator's toll of shame to 15.
Just days after the Los Angeles Times printed detailed stories of other
allegations of impropriety, the paper yesterday reported the new accusers had
emerged, saying the candidate for governor had grabbed, groped or spanked
them.
Appearing at a rally in Oakland, Davis said Schwarzenegger's alleged sexual
misconduct constituted a crime.
"The allegations should be investigated. What was described in the L.A. Times
is sexual battery," Davis said. "Some of the events in the L.A. Times are
clearly a crime."
The new allegations against the GOP front-runner in the race to replace Davis
came a day after he apologized for "behaving badly" in the past.
The action hero's latest accusers are:
* A 51-year-old woman who claims she was spanked by Schwarzenegger in
2000 at a West Hollywood studio
* Tamee Smith, 46, who said he grabbed her breasts at the studio where he
was filming "Predator" in 1986.
* Jan Prinzmetal, 50, who said he reached under her skirt and touched her
buttocks at a Venice gym in the mid-1980s
* Elizabeth Rothner, 45, who said her breasts were exposed in 1979 when
Schwarzenegger lifted her sweatshirt in a crowded Santa Monica bar.
* Linnea Harwell, an assistant director on Arnold's 1988 comedy "Twins," who
said Schwarzenegger regularly stripped naked in front of her in his trailer.
Harwell said he once pulled her down on a bed while in his underwear.
* Carla Baron, a stand-in on the same movie set, said Schwarzenegger had
sandwiched her between himself and a crew member and forced his tongue
into her mouth.
* Collette Brooks, a CNN intern in Los Angeles in the early 1980s, said
Schwarzenegger had grabbed her buttocks and told her she had a "nice ass."
Schwarzenegger issued an apology after a story in the Los Angeles Times
detailed allegations from six women, dating back to 1975, who said he had
groped them.
Harwell said her job on "Twins" often required her to get Schwarzenegger out
of his dressing room.
She said he regularly stripped naked in front of her.
Baron said the men suggested making a "Carla sandwich."
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Anna Richardson, a presenter for LWT,
alleges in the LA Times that the Terminator
star touched her during an interview back in
2000, at London's Dorchester Hotel.
And five more women have stepped forward
to claim previous alleged sexual misconduct
by the actor.
The LA Times is conducting an investigation
into the allegations, and Richardson told the
paper: ""He was already kind of hyped up.
He kept looking at my breasts, kept asking if
I worked out.
"I went to shake his hand and he grabbed me
onto his knee and he said, 'Before you go, I
want to know if your breasts are real'.
"At that point, he circled my left nipple with
his finger and he said, 'Yes they are real'."
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Arnold's Views on Proper Groping
"Of course that won't apply to gay people. Groping is something
God made as an act only between men and women"
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Group Grope
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Mum on Clinton
Gov. Gray Davis said on Saturday that state law
enforcement authorities should investigate a
series of old groping allegations against Arnold
Schwarzenegger, which would require
investigators to waive California's statute of
limitations on sexual battery.
At the same time Davis has declined to respond
to questions about whether his most prominent
supporter, ex-President Bill Clinton, should
face the same kind of legal scrutiny over far
more serious charges of sexual misconduct.
The most recent allegation of inappropriate
touching by Schwarzenegger dates back to 2000,
two years beyond California's statute of
limitations for prosecuting sexual battery. Many
of the other accusations go back to the 1970s
and '80s.
NewsMax.com's calls to the offices of New York
Sen. Hillary Clinton and ex-President Bill
Clinton, asking if they agreed with Davis that
Schwarzenegger should be prosecuted on the grope
charges, were not returned by press time.
An inquiry sent to Davis' press office asking if
he favors waiving the statute of limitations in
the case of an Arkansas businesswoman who
alleges that Mr. Clinton brutally raped her 1978
has also not been answered.
Arkansas' statute of limitations on rape is
seven years.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Grope-a-Dope" strategy-the modern version of what they used to
call in the Nixon days a "modified limited hangout"-will cause him nothing but problems.
Swamped by allegations of sexual misconduct, his fateful answer was to promise a full
accounting after Election Day. Now that he's won, his first task won't be to put together his
administration but to spell out of the rest of his story. I assumed that he was winging it
when he told Tom Brokaw on NBC that he would do that. Turns out, this was a deliberate and
considered response. His team, its leaders say, simply did not have the time and resources
to go into the details during the campaign. He'll have to do so in Sacramento. This at the
same time he will have to put together a new administration with none of the usual
"transition" time.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Shriver no mope over Arnold the grope
Guv candidate's wife staunchly defends him despite sexual-abuse charges
And Schwarzenegger stands accused of loutish behavior that might make his womanizing
Kennedy in-laws blush - unwanted groping and fondling at least a half-dozen women
over the last three decades.
"I wouldn't be taking my time, I wouldn't have left my job that I love, I wouldn't be
doing any of this if I didn't believe in this man."
Shriver told the women's group that Schwarzenegger - who conceded after an expose in
the Los Angeles Times that he'd been a lout at times, saying "where there's smoke there's
fire" - was "courageous" for apologizing.
Clearly, the world has changed since JFK's extramarital affairs with Marilyn Monroe and
other women were hushed up from the American people. Today, the report that
Schwarzenegger grabbed the breasts of three women, the buttocks of another, and made
sexually crude comments seems to have had little impact on his standing in the race.
Something else that's different - while matriarch Rose and Jackie Kennedy stood by their
philandering husbands, they did so in silence. But Shriver took the offensive,
aggressively defending Schwarzenegger against the allegations of boorish behavior.
"Nothing hurts, because I know the man that I'm married to," said Shriver, the daughter
of Eunice Kennedy and former Peace Corps chief Sargent Shriver. "Has he said and done
everything absolutely [right] 100 percent of the time? No. But I don't know anybody on
the planet, male or female, who's led a perfect life..."
That didn't stop the anti-Schwarzenegger drumbeats from pounding louder yesterday. A
coalition of women's groups met at the Feminist Majority offices in Beverly Hills to
unveil an anti-Schwarzenegger ad campaign and introduce a former TV network intern
who said the gubernatorial candidate groped her when she showed him around a sound
stage 25 years ago.
Also, radio psychologist Dr. Joy Browne told "Inside Edition" yesterday that
Schwarzenegger groped her ankles and knees during an interview in the 1970s.
But Schwarzenegger was greeted by cheering crowds as he continued a bus tour across
the state. "He can grope me!" one woman shouted at a campaign stop in Santa Clarita.
Some supporters held signs reading: "Gray Davis groped me...While reaching for my
wallet."
xxxxx Fuck You, Shriver ! xxxxx
Schwarzenegger to Hold Grope-A-Thon in State Capitol
As part of his expected ascension to the governorship of the state of California on
Tuesday, bodybuilder and action film superstar Arnold Schwarzenegger planned to
hold a female Grope-A-Thon on the steps of the state capitol in Washington on
Wednesday to celebrate his newfound power as the state's chief executive.
Women from all over California (and many from out of state) have been invited to
shake breasts with Schwarzenegger at the Community Chest Grope-A-Thon. Actually,
the governor-elect would be using his hands on the breasts of the women who are
approaching. He will also be signing breasts, sucking breasts, pawing breasts, rubbing
breasts, fondling breasts and flopping them up and down -- depending upon the request
and what he happens to be feeling at the moment.
Schwarzenegger will be sitting in a chair astride a pair of aides as women line up to be
groped, felt up and otherwise degraded and made sexual objects of. It's said to be his
way of saying, "Hello, women of California. Get your chests a-ready, because Arnie's
in town now!". His wife, Maria Shriver, reportedly isn't being told of the celebration as
she might tend to look negatively upon it.
"What can I tell you, I like the ladies' breasts," Schwarzenegger said in anticipation of
the event. "But zis is about much, much more than just za titskies for me. It's a very
personal message from me to women that I vill be a very hands-on governor. I vill feel
their needs and satisfy zem wiz my personal touch."
The Schwarzenegger campaign added that no set of breasts (or buttocks, for that matter)
will be turned away at the Grope-A-Thon,
"Small, big, medium, Arnold likes them all and looks upon all of them with equal
interest and enthusiasm," Fishbein said. "This is no time to be playing favorites. That's
not the kind of governor that Arnold Schwarzenegger plans to be."
xxxxx Fuck Me, Arnold ! xxxxx
Lockyer seemed to dismiss groping
allegations against Schwarzenegger
as "frat boy behavior," even though
he said he believed the incidents
occurred.
On Thursday, he told reporters that
when Schwarzenegger visited him in
Sacramento, he'd told him the
groping issue was not going to go
away and urged him to cooperate
with an independent investigation.
Hire your own investigator? Yeah,
that inspires confidence. Can you
say "conflict of interest?" Can you
say "impartiality compromised?"
And pardon me, Arnold, but who
are you planning to investigate --
yourself or the women?
Over the weekend, news reports
ratcheted up a notch: Lockyer told a
San Francisco radio station that
someone said a "terrible thing"
happened to their daughter-in-law
with Schwarzenegger last year.
Lockyer said he'd recommended a
toll-free hot line be established for
women to lodge sexual misconduct
complaints against Schwarzenegger.
I found myself imagining the
conversations that would take place
at 1-800-GROPDME. They go
something like this:
Hotline: "You have reached the
Gubernatorial Grope Hotline. Due to
heavy call volume, you may
experience a delay. Please stay on
the line; your call will be answered
in the order in which it was
received."
(The hold music: "Boys Will Be
Boys," by Gloria Estefan.)
Hotline: "Sorry to keep you waiting,
how may I help you?"
Caller: "Hi, I was groped by
Arnold."
Hotline: "OK. Where did he grope
you: movie set, hotel elevator . . . "
Caller: "Movie set."
Hotline: "Was it a grope or a grab?"
Caller: "A grab."
Hotline: "All righty. Where did he
grab you: breast, buttock?"
Caller: "Breast."
Hotline: "OK. Right or left?"
Caller: "Left."
Hotline: "Did he approach you from
in front or behind?"
Caller: "From in front. Hey, the way
you're asking these questions, I feel
like you're just taking inventory."
Hotline: "Ma'am, that's the only
way we can do a computer analysis
of the governor's groping patterns."
Here comes another call:
Hotline: "Gubernatorial Grope
Hotline, how may I help you?"
Caller: "Um, I was groped by the
governor . . . "
Hotline: "Was it on a movie set . . .
"
Caller: "No, no, not by Arnold, the
old governor . . . "
Hotline (puzzled): "Gov. Davis?"
Caller: "I think he mistook me for
his wife, Sharon. He came up
behind me and plastered one of
those Al Gore lip-locks on me."
Hotline: "Ma'am, I'm sorry, you'll
have to call the Democratic Grope
Hotline. That number is
1-800-THEYDO2."
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold & Lockyer ! xxxxx
I just noticed something: There's a repeated motif in several of these stories -- Arnold
grabbing breasts and asking if they're real? I wonder why someone whose body was
built on steroids would be so obsessed with whether or not somebody else's body was
"real." Yours isn't, Arnold. Live with it.
Neanderthal, callous behavior with women? Hey, we were all young once! Boasting of
pushing Kristanna Loken's head in a toilet bowl in "Terminator 3?" It was just a joke,
man. The stories fail to build, because they're reported in a way that minimizes them. A
crowd of bodybuilders piling on a single woman is described as "group sex"; 25-year-old
accusations are chewed over while fresh ones are ignored; crudely sexist treatment of
women is dismissed as normal for movie stars, and therefore irrelevant to Mr.
Schwarzenegger's political career - even though his celebrity is the basis of his
political career. Or maybe the story just doesn't get picked up: The Wall Street Journal
wonders why no one has made anything of the curious fact that the candidate hired a
consultant whose two former wives testified that he beat them.
Why is it so hard for commentators to come right out and say: here is a man who seems
to have a long history of contempt for women, who uses his celebrity to get away with
sexual humiliation - why does he belong in public life? Would that sound too square, too
P.C., too, um, feminist?
And then like a good 'one-two punch' Body & Soul tells us that the latest Knight-Ridder
poll has Schwarzenegger leading among women voters, 39 percent to 23 percent for
Bustamante.
Geez! What are we using that ten pound weight on top of our necks for anyways! It can't
be for voting...
Update: Well - it appears women may be using that ten pound weight for the same thing
that Arnold is... how bout this from the comments
Found this heartening reaction to Arnold's groping problem in an article in the British
paper Independent. Just lovely.
Lynn Harwood-Campbell, a true-blue Republican with two sons in the military, was
typical of the doting fans he encountered on Friday. After waiting for two hours with a
gaggle of girlfriends in the sizzling heat of California's Central Valley to catch a
glimpse of her idol, she told reporters: "He can grope me any time. What would you
prefer, a cigar with Bill Clinton, or a grope with Arnold Schwarzenegger?"
Politics is like sports--you root for your home team through thick and through thin. As
Americans, we are essentially psychotic--our words and our actions have very little
basis in reality.
Arnold never got me on his bandwagon from the beginning. But the recent sexual
harassment allegations have me wondering ... what do we really expect when we seem to
have separate standards of behavior for movie stars and political office holders?
Our culture finds it's all very cute and amusing, even understandable, for a hunky guy on
a movie set. His behavior was never an issue when he was hawking any of his big hit
movies.
There's one standard of behavior for everyone, no matter how you make your living.
Grabbing boobs and butts is no more acceptable for an actor, rock star, politician --
Republican or Democrat -- or preacher. What's so hard to understand about that?
Now, Americans aren't really sure what character is, but they "know it when they see
it," and for someone who is from the Hollywood world, there's the duality that blurs the
line between what people see and what people perceive. Everyone in Hollywood likely
knows that Arnold is a mysoginistic pig, but they wouldn't want that to get in the way
of box office receipts, because that puts food on the table, and the Hummer in the
driveway.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
In a stunning admission designed to douse
a fast-moving political firestorm, Arnold
Schwarzenegger launched his statewide
tour of California yesterday with an
apology in San Diego for having "behaved
badly sometimes" toward women.
Schwarzenegger's mea culpa, delivered at
the San Diego Convention Center to hundreds
of supporters and journalists from around
the world, came on the heels of a Los Angeles
Times story that reported allegations by
six women who said the Austrian-born actor
had groped them. The unwanted advances
occurred at various times over three
decades, the newspaper reported.
"So I want to say to you, yes, that I have
behaved badly sometimes. ... To those
people that I have offended, I wanted to
say to them that I am deeply sorry about
that, and I apologize," Schwarzenegger
said in a cavernous showroom at the
Convention Center, launch point of his
"California Comeback Express" bus tour.
Schwarzenegger's remarks were clearly
intended to put a quick end to a controversy
that gave fresh fuel to critics who contend
that the former champion bodybuilder has
routinely degraded women and engaged in
sexual harassment.
Asked about the new allegations of groping
against her husband, Shriver referred to his
remarks earlier in the day in San Diego.
The Times article said the groping incidents
occurred in various places, including movie
sets, dating from the 1970s up to 2000. Four
of the women in the article were unidentified;
two were named.
Three of the women said Schwarzenegger
grabbed their breasts. A fourth said he reached
under her skirt and grabbed her buttocks. A
fifth said the actor tried to pull down her
bathing suit in an elevator, and the sixth said
Schwarzenegger put her on his lap and asked
if she had ever had a particular sexual act
performed on her. None of the women had
initiated any legal action against
Schwarzenegger, the Times said.
One woman, who told the Times that
Schwarzenegger grabbed her breast in 1980,
said: "Did he rape me? No. Did he humiliate
me? You bet he did."
The story quoted several of the women as
saying Schwarzenegger made lewd remarks
to them. In an alleged incident in the 1980s,
a woman said he told her, "You have a very nice
ass. I'd love to work you out."
British television host Anna Richardson told
the Times that in December 2000,
Schwarzenegger, at the end of a London
interview, grabbed her knee and said:
"Before you go, I want to know if your breasts
are real." She said he touched her nipple and
said, "Yes, they are real."
But a woman who worked for Schwarzenegger
and said she was present during the interview
said Richardson prompted the exchange by
cupping her breasts and saying to him, "What do
you think of these?"
Allegations of groping by Schwarzenegger have
dogged him in recent years. Premiere magazine
published allegations in 2001 of groping by the
actor. In a 1977 interview with the now-defunct
men's magazine, Oui, Schwarzenegger bragged of
drug use and group sex.
Schwarzenegger's campaign has moved
aggressively over the past several weeks to
counter allegations of boorish behavior toward
women, bringing forth women who have worked
with Schwarzenegger to testify about his
character and putting his wife on a statewide
speaking tour aimed at professional women.
Others are seeking to keep the issue alive.
As the bus tour stopped in Costa Mesa, a woman
identifying herself as Gail Escobar claimed that
in 1978, when she was 16, Schwarzenegger said
he was going to rape her and a friend. She said
they left the Santa Monica diner, where the
alleged threat occurred, without incident.
The California Women's Law Center and Escobar
have scheduled a press conference in Los
Angeles today outside the first stop on
Schwarzenegger's bus tour to call on the district
attorney and police chief to investigate
"accusations of sexual battery" against the
candidate.
"Bill Clinton did a heck of a lot more, and what
Clinton did was more serious."
"The behavior described here is a battery under
California law," Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-San Jose,
said in Washington. "I think it ought to be a
wake-up call to the people of California."
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
The current gropometrics:
Number of reported gropettes: 526
Number of non-anonymous gropettes: 2
Number of wannabee gropettes: 40,000,000
xxxxx Fuck You, Gropettes ! xxxxx
The gropology, along with the "admiration for Hitler" report, was released by the
wannabee-NY-Times L.A. Times. By creating fictitious numbers you appear to be
mocking the women who were actually assaulted by Arnold Schwarzenegger. The
current number of confirmed reports by women assaulted by Arnold
Schwarzenegger now stands at fifteen, only five of which are anonymous.
Excerpted from Schwarzenegger on offensive, denounces sex harassment claims
ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer, San Francisco Chronicle, October 4,
2003 Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said that if
Schwarzenegger did express admiration for Hitler he should apologize.
Four more women have come forward to say that Arnold Schwarzenegger fondled,
spanked or touched them in incidents they said took place as recently as 2000 and
as long ago as 1979. In all, 15 women have now accused the Republican candidate
for governor of grabbing or groping them. ...
Ten of the women who have come forward have given their names. Five spoke on
the condition that they not be named, saying they feared repercussions.
The reports aren't credible. If all these women were "assaulted" by Arnold, why
didn't any of them, even a single one, make a police report? Why don't they now?
Why is all this stuff suddenly coming to light 5 days before an election? Clearly,
this is just pure sleeze politics, like the infamous "hi-tech lynching" attempted
with Justice Clarence Thomas. The interaction between Arnold and the women
appears to be the type of playing around that goes on all the time between men
and women. Indeed, one of the set workers for the movie "Twins" (sorry, don't
recall her name) was quoted on Fox as describing how one of the current
complainers once said to Arnold on the movie set "How do you like these?",
referring to her boobs, and then sat on his lap.
It doesn't matter that the women didn't press charges, I would hope none of us
would condone unwanted touching. As Conservative activist Steve Frank said, "He
announced that he was a lifelong serial harasser. The conservatives didn't like
Bill Clinton for doing this, and we would be hypocrites to approve of
Schwarzenegger doing this."
Cause that way they would ruin their career and chances in Hollywood forever?
Because it wouldn't do much good? Because it wouldn't be taken seriously?
Because it would be used against them? If you think that every assaulted woman
files a police report, think again. Most women who are raped do not even file a
police report. That doesn't mean they weren't raped.. Nor does the lack of police
reports on the assaults mean they did not happen.
The liberal media OF COURSE went over every tiny bit of Scwarzeneggers life to
find the dirt. What they came up with is a supposed 30 year old throwaway
comment about hitler and some mostly 20 year old not credible groping charges.
L.A. Times. Furthermore "behaving badly" is not equivalent to groping -- Arnold
said he engaged in what most people would call horseplay
The issue isn't whether or not unwanted touching is bad or not, but rather
whether it occurred.
If you think that a man groping a woman's breasts or slapping her rear are part of
every day playfulness between men and women, obviously the place where you've
grown up must be very unpleasant.. for the women.
"It was playful for him. It was not at all playful for me." -- A woman who said
Schwarzenegger spanked her in 2000 at a movie post-production studio, 4 More
Women Go Public Against Schwarzenegger. "If he were a black man, he'd be in jail.
If he was brown, he'd be in jail. If he were a poor white he'd be in jail. What does
it tell us about our society that a rich white person can do the type of things that
he's alleged to have done?" -- Peter Camejo, Green Party gubernatorial candidate,
Poll shows Davis gaining as Schwarzenegger denies harassment allegations.
The place where I now live is California, a place where squealing excited women of
all ages, and who have heard all the stories, show up and urge him on ... apparently
they disagree with you.
Uh, sure ... like O.J. Simpson maybe? Simpson didn't grope, he slashed. The BLACK
MAN who almost every intelligent person believes got away with the brutal knife
attack muder of a young woman, is out on the golf course.
You do not know the difference between consentual groping and sexual harrassment?
Btw, CA, and then in particular LA/Hollywood isn't exactly know for it's
womenfriendliness.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
More women claim Schwarzenegger harassed them
Women's groups and religious leaders worked feverishly Friday
to galvanize opposition to Arnold Schwarzenegger after he
acknowledged treating women badly and was accused of telling
an interviewer he admired Adolf Hitler.
A coalition of women's groups met at the Feminist Majority
offices here to unveil an anti-Schwarzenegger ad campaign and
introduce a former TV network intern who said the candidate
groped her when she showed him around a sound stage 25 years
ago.
She was one of several women -- including radio psychologist
Joy Browne -- to come forward Friday with new allegations
that Schwarzenegger groped or made inappropriate comments to
them. The allegations echo complaints made by other women
against the Republican front-runner in the election to recall Gov.
Gray Davis.
On Thursday Schwarzenegger acknowledged and apologized for
having ''behaved badly sometimes'' around women but said he
could not imagine saying anything positive about Hitler, whom
he said he despised.
On Friday, the second day of his four-day bus tour of the state,
as more women came forward to claim sexual misconduct, the
actor ignored the allegations, and some of his supporters laughed
them off.
''He can grope me,'' one woman shouted at a campaign stop in Santa
Clarita. Some supporters held signs reading: ''Gray Davis groped
me . . . while reaching for my wallet.''
The Los Angeles Times quoted six women Thursday -- two by name
and four anonymously -- who said Schwarzenegger had groped or
sexually harassed them during separate incidents between 1975
and 2000.
Browne told ''Inside Edition'' Friday that Schwarzenegger groped her
ankles and knees during an interview in the 1970s.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Did Arnold Grope Leni Riefenstahl?
An 80-year-old man confesses the details of a lurid affair with a college
co-ed. The priest responds, "Moishe, you're Jewish. Why are you telling me?"
Moishe: "I'm telling everyone!" And so is Arnold Schwarzenegger. "Maybe I did
go overboard sometimes," Arnold confessed. Today, he argues, you've got a
"different Arnold" running for California governor.
On Friday, Arnold's apology and Maria Shriver's speech were superb. But
extended discussion of the matter is not helpful for Schwarzenegger. He's
off-message as he questions why the women waited so long to report the
gropings. If the recall election is seen as a ballot measure with the burden
of proof on proponents, then risk-averse voters might stay with the Davis-
devil they know.
Meanwhile, Democrats insist Arnold's business partner made a deal all along
with tabloids to lay off the stories. But cartels never hold. For example, on
Sunday, the Los Angeles Enquirer (I mean Times) headlined "4 More Women
Go Public Against Schwarzenegger." And, "In all, 15 women have now
accused...." Arnold's lucky the story didn't break two weeks ago. Imagine:
"164 women have now charged...." Yet, in at least one prior campaign, the
Times editors met privately with an accused candidate, then decided not to
publish the story. That was then, this is now. And now, Gov. Gray Davis
wants Arnold Schwarzenegger prosecuted for sexual battery. But a pro-
Arnold weekend sign read: "Gray Davis groped me when he reached into my
wallet." Fear not - there's still time for TV spots featuring Davis
campaigner Bill Clinton; he can attack Arnold as a misogynist.
And the Oakland Tribune, in what the Times called an "unusual move,"
withdrew its Arnold endorsement. Here's the tortured syntax: "Called a
'sexual harasser' by one female and a 'predator' by others, we can no longer
in good conscience recommend him for governor." Ironically, the Los Angeles
Times itself once withdrew an endorsement in 1976. The open congressional
seat was in a district that included, in Soviet days, Moscow-by-the-Sea
(Santa Monica). The paper, in the then-costliest House race, had endorsed
Democrat Gary Familian, favored over my Republican client, a former actor
named Bob Dornan (who eventually won, in an upset). But when Familian
behaved, as a Times editor told me, "like Dornan," the paper simply and
quietly dropped Familian's name from its Election Day endorsements. At
least the Oakland newspaper was straightforward.
And now, Hitler! Real people want to know, did Arnold grope Leni
Riefenstahl? "Arnold admired Hitler for the way he acquired power,"
observed Charles Krauthammer Sunday on Fox. "He's after power for his own
sake." The columnist remains properly troubled that Arnold toasted Arnold-
Maria wedding guest Kurt Waldheim after he was outed as a Nazi. That
disturbing fact was barely covered. (Arnold has since repudiated the toast.)
Krauthammer notes "Obviously Arnold is not a Nazi [and] has promoted
Jewish causes." Recall that decades ago, when asked whether President
Eisenhower was (as John Birchers had suggested) a Communist, conservative
icon Russell Kirk replied: "Eisenhower's not a Communist. He's a golfer." Are
they saying Arnold's not a Nazi, he's a groper?
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Today in the Atlanta Times Urinal and Constipation they had an editorial titled
Schwarzenegger's support baffling where they bemoaned the fact that Arnold appeared to be
winning in California and couldn't for the life of them figger our why. Evidently Cynthia
Tucker, Jay Bookman, and Martha Ezzard were asleep during the eight years of the Clinton
administration or maybe they never heard of Patrick Moynihan talking about defining
deviancy down. Let's see what they had to say today.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's groping of women he barely knew wasn't mean-spirited or
degrading. Or so says the man who may end the day as California's new governor. The
actor-turned-politician says he was just being playful and rowdy when he grabbed
women's breasts in elevators, fondled studio secretaries at meetings and lifted up the
sweatshirts of college students at restaurants
As long as he only groped them once he should be OK. Remember, it was Gloria Steinem who
gave us the "One Free Grope Rule" when she was defending Bill Clinton.
Schwarzenegger's facile apology is not the most upsetting aspect of the sordid
revelations of his sexual assaults of strangers and co-workers alike. What's more
distressing is the public's acceptance of his boorish behavior and the widespread
condemnation of the women for coming forward now that Schwarzenegger is seeking
office.
Why is the public's acceptance so wrong? All during the Clinton fiasco we were told over
and over that "everyone does it" and "it's only about sex" and all the women who came
forward were just "bimbos". Golly, the public is just conforming to the standards that were
set by the Clinton defenders.
Never mind that the women only spoke out after the Los Angeles Times spent seven
weeks tracking them down and verifying their accounts with friends and witnesses. The
two stories reported in the Times reveal a megalomaniac who enjoyed demeaning
women in front of an audience. None of the women ever sued or pursued criminal actions
against Schwarzenegger. He was a god in the movie world, and they were nobodies.
Clinton was the attorney general of Arkansas and Juanita Brodderick was a nobody. Paula
Jones did, however, pursue legal action against Clinton, who settled, but she was just
trailer park trash so I guess that was OK.
Yet, somehow, Schwarzenegger has become the victim in this saga and the women the
victimizers. One woman told the Times, "I'm very pro-woman. But unfortunately,
because I work with women, I know how silly they can act."
Celebrity apparently trumps sisterhood. That their charges of sexual misconduct are
belittled is disappointing, but at least the women now have a public forum. Forty years
ago, no one, including the media, would have given any credence to women alleging they
were pawed by politicians or celebrities. It was expected and accepted that men with
power would exploit the powerless.
If you're a Dimocrat, like Bill Clinton, you can paw women. Maybe Arnold should have run as a
Dimocrat. But let's hear what Patricia Foulkrod film producer and Code Pink activist has to
say about it
"The difference is that Clinton was so brilliant... If Arnold was a brilliant pol and had
this thing about inappropriate behavior, we'd figure a way of getting around it. I think
it's to our detriment to go on too much about the groping.
So there you have it. All you have to do is be brilliant and you can grab all the titties you
want. Did I mention that I have an IQ of 137?
Schwarzenegger's wife's family, the Kennedy men, could frolic with naked young women
in the White House pool without fear because of the tacit pact between the press and
the politicians that sexual escapades were off limits. Now, the incidents make the
news, but the women are pilloried as tramps (as also happened to Kobe Bryant's
accuser).
The actor's followers have taken to carrying brooms to symbolize Schwarzenegger's
sweeping out of the old regime in Sacramento. His female supporters might keep them
handy in case they find themselves alone with Schwarzenegger in an elevator sometime.
Confucius say to AJC: When in hole, stop digging.
They are only making a definitive contrast of remarks and attitudes to compare to their
deferential treatment of a certain political candidate--charged with far worse (rape,
stalking)--in the past.
I am in no way absolving Schwarzenegger (spelling?) of his redoubtable sins, I am merely
speaking of the AJC's abject hypocrisy. Is was outlets such as theirs that castigated the
women who came forth against Clinton and now they wonder, as if out of the blue, how
people could do such a thing. Shucks, makes me wonder, too.
So are titties like Supermans kryptonite for brilliant people?
Jonah Goldberg wrote a humorous line in his most recent piece:
Nevertheless, it was hilarious to see Bill Clinton go out and stump relentlessly for Gray
Davis right up until the moment the groping story broke, and then - suddenly - he
departed with nary a Road Runner-esque "Beep, Beep!"
His female supporters might keep [the brooms] handy in case they find themselves alone
with Schwarzenegger in an elevator sometime.
John - With your IQ Code Pink has given you permission to grope anyone anywhere.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
And then there were fifteen. At this point it astonishes me how deeply Arnold and his
army don't get it. He ducks and weaves, says it isn't true and apologizes, and has his
spokesperson talk about "rowdy," but "good-natured" behavior. There's inevitably a lot of
he said she said in this kind of story, but the story continues to get under my skin, and
that of many women, because this is the kind of man who thinks -- not thought, thinks -
- that lifting a woman's shirt in a bar in order to expose her breasts to a crowd is all in
good fun. It may have happened twenty years ago, but that's how he continues to see it
today. And that's why women keep coming forward. One of the women quoted in today's
LAT says "she had decided to tell her story when the candidate seemed to dismiss the
accounts of women who said he had groped them." Anna Richardson, the British tv host
whose breasts were manhandled, may sue because of the way Arnold treated her claims.
It isn't just the groping. It's the obvious fact that Arnold still thinks what he did was
cool, and the problem is women who don't appreciate his "playful" desire to bully and
abuse them.
Today I came face-to-face with why he'll probably win: lots of people still don't care about
sexual harassment. What started as a light-hearted ribbin...
Found this heartening reaction to Arnold's groping problem in an article in the British paper
Independent. Just lovely.
It was pointless humiliation and so aggressive and unwarrented that I find myself cringing
at the memory as I write this. Again, I am repeating myself, but nobody had a good word for
him....NOBODY. He was, simply put, an asshole.
Faludi misses the key, I think. Clinton was seduced and therefore showed weakness--
Schwarzenneger's a big strong aggressor. There's a lot of men who regard their own
responsiveness to women as weakness and a flaw, and they see Schwarzenneger as strong.
But those men who worry about their weakness for women would have no lovers without
it. And they forget that, once Schwarzenneger is elected, they will be the subjects of his
aggression. It worries me how much of recent US politcs can be explained as an expression
of threatened masculinity.
If you look at her entire essay, she says almost that, although she talks about Clinton as a
seducer, not someone seduced, and yet even that, she argues, is something many men see as
a weakness -- a genuine response to a woman, not an attempt to prove he's more powerful
than she is.
It's pathetic, because, as you point out, that attitude pretty much cuts you off from any real
relationship with a woman. But my experience makes me a little doubtful that it's as
common as Faludi suggests.
Why the hell didn't someone bring charges of assault or harassment?
Any woman who's ever been sexually harassed or assaulted on a job and didn't complain,
raise your hand. (You can't see it, but mine is up.) It's harder than you think.
one quick comment on the Faludi article. My memory of arnold includes his fear of the men in
the gym who werent in some way in his employ or in the body building business. The guys
who were power lifters or just athletes of some sort (and lots worked out at World and
Golds Gyms)found that Arnold pretty much avoided them...knowing they would break his jaw
if he tried some of this stuff. The small and bizarre world of pro Body Building is a sub
culture and run by a strange set of promoters and merchandisers...and Robby Robinson (who
is black by the way) was an old old pal of arnolds.....dating back to his early days, and its
difficult to really grasp the dynamics of such a specialized and unusually motivated group. I
dont doubt the facts about what happened...but it wasnt typical of the world of west coast
gyms. ..so Faludi is a little off the mark in her analysis of the world of gym rats,where I
think actually the general position toward Arnold was one of contempt. He had little respect
and most people --those who werent afraid of losing their jobs --- never showed him much
in the way of friendliness. However, clearly Arnold seems obsessed with displays of
power...insecure of his own sexuality (plenty of rumors about how he made spare change in
the late 70s) and harbours a deep fear and hatred of women. He is a bully and a not terribly
bright bully at that.
Regarding this statement: "He can grope me any time. What would you prefer, a cigar with
Bill Clinton, or a grope with Arnold Schwarzenegger?"
This woman apparently doesn't get that there is a huge difference between giving
permission to be groped and getting groped against one's wishes.
Something else interesting that occurred to me while reading the comments here. The
difference between Clinton and Schwarzenegger being a difference of seduction and power
play. Jeanne says: ...If you look at her entire essay, she says almost that, although she talks
about Clinton as a seducer, not someone seduced, and yet even that, she argues, is something
many men see as a weakness -- a genuine response to a woman, not an attempt to prove he's
more powerful than she is.
Clinton looks like a man who loves women; Schwarzenegger as one who hates them.
Precisely. Thank you. Men who love women, even those who love women too much (this is
beginning to sound like one of those book titles), do not assault them, as Schwarzenegger
clearly does.
I know we've had this conversation before, but Clinton was too ready to trash women for me
to view him as a man who loved women "too much." He was more than willing to wreck the
reputations of women who stood in the way of his ambition. I don't want to get sentimental
about that, and I don't think it's a good idea to blow it off. But the Schwarzenegger scandals
might suggest one reason many feminists didn't turn too harshly on Clinton (besides the
obvious fact that he had a record of being decent most of the time on women's issues, and
had some real accomplishments that benefitted women)(but I'd argue that welfare is so
much a women's issue -- although not only a women's issue of course -- that I can't give him
a blanket praise in that area): We know that there are Schwarzeneggers among us, and there
is a huge difference between Bill Clinton at his very worst, and a man who clearly takes
pleasure in humiliating the powerless, who does it deliberately. I have issues with some of
Clinton's policies, and some of his behavior, but I do not believe he would hurt another
person for the fun of it -- that is eerily Bushy -- or to show how much power he had. That
motif runs through all the stories about Schwarzenegger.
How about "too often"?
I cannot find it in myself to judge Clinton morally for his excessive sex life, but it was
reckless of him to put himself in a position where so very, very many people, from his
family all the way to the American public, were harmed when he was caught. Your comment
rules prohibit me from quoting the late, great Billie Carr, grande dame of Texas liberal
Democratic politics and personal friend of Bill Clinton, in her first encounter with him after
impeachment had begun, but it ran something like, "You stupid (expletive deleted) (expletive
deleted) (expletive deleted)!" My sentiments exactly. There was simply too much at stake for
Clinton to take such really stupid risks.
It is still difficult to assess the credibility of Bill Clinton's accusers. Many women I know,
including my s.o. ... women with unassailable credentials as liberals and feminists... believe
the worst of the accusations to be simply false. If Clinton himself knew the accusations
were false, it is understandable that he replied with a no-holds-barred defense. If not, his
aggressive, damaging defense was deplorable. I guess we'll never know.
Do you think it is mere chance that among all the death row inmates, Bush mocked and
mimicked the one woman, Karla Faye Tucker, that Texas has executed in many years? I don't.
Would Schwarzenegger have done the same? I think so, and he probably would have used a
famous phrase from one of his movies. I do not think it is too strong to say that A.S. hates
women, and that Bush at least has utter contempt for women.
First, I use arnold so I dont have to type as much.....but more to the point, Jeanne is right
that Clinton didnt display the kind of personal bullying you find in Arnold (and I am a huge
anti clinton person)....and that was my much earlier point....and you could see it with arrianna
huffington during the debate....an aggressive and ignorant man who is driven to get his
way....and has little or no sympathy for others. His meaness is being percieved as masculine
in some quarters (mailer's piece in the NYRB comes to mind vis a vis this topic)and for some
reason he is even percieved as a populist of some sort. But the real issue is the on going
displays of hatred for women....on going, not just in the past. It is really scary to imagine
him as governer and more scary to imagine a society that WANTS him as gov.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Thousands of supporters and curious fans set a
carnival-style atmosphere for the would-be Republican
governor as they faced off with protesters slamming his
alleged molestation of women ahead of Tuesday's
historic vote to oust and replace embattled Governor
Gray Davis.
"Hey Arnold, what do you say, how many women did
you grope today?" some 100 protesters chanted.
Protesters seized every opportunity to remind voters of
recent allegations that Schwarzenegger manhandled
female colleagues on several occasions over his 30-year
career.
Marlene Woodworth, sporting a homemade "No Grope-inator"
sign around her neck, said she opposed Schwarzenegger
"because of his abuse toward women. Women are 50 percent
of the population, they deserve some respect."
But Kelly Bettencourt, wearing a T-shirt proclaiming "Gray
Davis groped me and stole my wallet," said the allegations of
sexual misconduct would not dim her support.
"I think it's absolutely ridiculous that we're talking about
something that happened 25 years ago, when Davis has been
raping California on a daily basis now," she said.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Ties Terminator promo quote to grope smear
The ad, which follows allegations in Thursday's Los Angeles Times that the gubernatorial
candidate groped women, was conceived and produced in 12 hours by the independent
political ad shop and consultancy Zimmerman & Markman, Santa Monica, Calif. The spot
shows disconsolate women and quotes an article from the July 11 Entertainment Weekly
about Schwarzenegger's promotion of Terminator 3.
"We use the quote in which Schwarzenegger talks about how much fun it was to grab a
woman, turn her upside down and bury her face in a toilet bowl," said Bill Zimmerman, who
produced the spot with partner and creative director Pacy Markman. Paul Dektor, son of
commercial director Leslie Dektor, directed the spot.
The ad, which follows allegations in Thursday's Los Angeles Times that the gubernatorial
candidate groped women, was conceived and produced in 12 hours by the independent
political ad shop and consultancy Zimmerman & Markman, Santa Monica, Calif. "We use the
quote in which Schwarzenegger talks about how much fun it was to grab a woman, turn her
upside down and bury her face in a toilet bowl," said Bill Zimmerman.
Ah, yes. The group whose very name derives from its founding purpose, namely to urge
Congress not to IMPEACH Clinton for his perjury and obstruction-of-justice about sexual
affairs, but rather to "Censure and Move On" instead. Hypocrites. Back then, it was "move on";
sexual dalliances AND perjury and obstruction of justice related thereto were NOT to be
grounds for disqualification from high office. NOW, apparently, far lesser sexual conduct,
with NO lying under oath or obstruction of justice, it IS grounds for such disqualification.
It is good to see that the neocommie traitors and lying, sleazy democrats have finally
learned the it is disgraceful for a high political official to engage in the filth and corruption
that leads him to believe that he can molest and rape women just because of his office.
I have this file, labeled Gray Davis, that for the last few years I've been stuffing with all
the bizarre little tales that are quietly shared among journalists and political insiders
about the man who, though probably viewed as a blandly pleasant talking head by most
Californians, is in fact one of the strangest ducks ever elected to statewide office. Long
protected by editors at the Los Angeles Times--who have nixed every story Times reporters
have ever tried to develop about Davis's storied history of physical violence, unhinged
hysteria and gross profanity--the baby-faced, dual personality Davis has been allowed to
hold high public office with impunity. Perhaps you are among the millions never told of
Lieutenant Governor Davis's widely known--but long unreported--penchant for physically
attacking members of his own staff. His violent tantrums have occurred throughout his
career, from his days as Chief of Staff for Jerry Brown to his long stint as State Controller
to his current job. Davis's hurling of phones and ashtrays at quaking government employees
and his numerous incidents of personally shoving and shaking horrified workers--usually
while screaming the f-word "with more venom than Nixon" as one former staffer recently
reminded me--bespeak a man who cannot be trust with power. Since his attacks on
subservients are not exactly "domestic violence," they suggest to me the need for new
lexicon that is sufficiently Dilbertesque. I would therefore like to suggest "office batterer"
for consideration as you observe Davis in his race for governor. The most disturbing aspect
of Davis's troubled side is the ease with which the power elite in California, many of whom
know he is unbalanced, laugh off the long public deception that has created Davis's public
persona. "He'll never be governor," one well-known Democratic state senator explained to me
last year, justifying his own failure to criticize or out Davis. "He'll never be the Democratic
nominee," the senator insisted. And that's certainly how things stood, in my own mind, until
Davis announced his intention to run for governor. It quickly became apparent that Davis's
only Democratic "competition" would be Al Checchi, a guy who squeezed $50 million out of a
lot of little people ten years ago in his sudden vault from silver-spooned graduate of
Harvard Business School to Texas mega-multimillionaire during the reorganization of
Disney. The Disney deal made Checchi an instant player who immediately began dreaming of
becoming a senator--or was it governor?--of Texas. So self-absorbed in building his
millions is Checchi that, although he has lived in Beverly Hills with his family for much of
this decade--when he wasn't decamped to his mansion on Lake Harriot in Minneapolis during
his takeover of Northwest Airlines--most of my friends still think Checchi comes from
somewhere in Northern California. They can be forgiven their ignorance, because throughout
the civic debates that have embroiled Los Angeles, Checchi has been a cipher. He is a leading
champion of no causes, has established no meaningful charities, has left no laudable trace.
He's the 312th richest man in America, and nobody can even pronounce his name. So it was
with alarm that I read the very similar speeches given by these two men as they both
offered plans to reform the dismal academics in California's public schools, a scandal that
many observers believe will be the hot issue in the governor's race. In his speech to the
Commonwealth Club in San Francisco last week, Checchi at least had the nerve to identify
teacher incompetence and lack of teacher testing as a key problem. Davis, who has long slept
with the power anti-reform teacher's unions in Los Angeles and other cities, could not bring
himself to utter such a blasphemy. In his only major divergence from Checchi, in a speech to
Town Hall of Los Angeles in September, Davis largely blamed parents. Observing this pair of
oddballs, the notion struck me: Isn't it a fatal flaw of the Republicans, not the Democrats, to
promote candidates for top office who have no right to lead a civil society? How can it be
that the Democrats suddenly suffer Dan Quayle Disease, after their years of carping about
the Republicans' penchant for nominating louts and fools? More specifically, why on earth is
the California Democratic Party allowing such sour milk to rise to the top, when California
so desperately needs great men and women in charge? One cannot get a straight answer to
these questions via official channels, such as the Party itself. But one can at least delve
into the true nature of the life and times of the disturbing Davis and, as his detractors
predictably dub him, of checkbook Checchi. Most crucial of all is the fact that both Davis and
Checchi have based their considerable career successes on the perpetuation of carefully
crafted whoppers. "I guess Gray's biggest lie," says his former staffer who notes he often
flies into a rage, "is pretending that he operates within the bounds of normalcy, which is not
true. This is not a normal person. I will never forget the day he physically attacked me,
because even though I knew he had done it before to many others, you always want to assume
that Gray would never do it to you or that he has finally gotten help." On the day in question,
in the mid-1990s, the staffer was explaining to Davis that his perpetual quest for an ever-
larger campaign chest (an obsession she says led Davis to routinely break fundraising laws
by using his government office resources and non-political employees to arrange fundraisers
and identify new sources of money) had run into a snafu. A major funding source had dried
up. Recalls the former staffer: "He just went into one of his rants of, 'Fuck the fucking fuck,
fuck, fuck!'" I can still hear his screams ringing in my ears. When I stood up to insist that he
not talk to me that way, he grabbed me by the shoulders and shook me until my teeth rattled.
I was so stunned I said, 'Good God, Gray! Stop and look at what you are doing! Think what you
are doing to me!' And he just could not stop." Perhaps the worst incident--long known to
Davis-adoring editors of the Los Angeles Times but never published by them--was Davis's
attack four years ago on a loyal aide in Los Angeles who for years acted as chief apologist
for his "incidents." The woman refuses to discuss the assault on her with the media, but has
relayed much of the story to me through a close friend. On the day in question, State
Controller Davis was raging over an employee's rearranging of framed artwork on his Los
Angeles office walls. He stormed, red-faced, out of his office and violently shoved the
woman, who we shall call K., out of his way. According to employees who were present, K.
ran out clutching her purse, suffered an emotional breakdown, was briefly hospitalized at
Cedars Sinai for a severe nervous dermatological reaction, and never returned to work again.
According to one close friend, K. refused to sue Davis, despite the advice of several friends,
after a prominent Los Angeles attorney told her that Davis would ruin her. According to one
state official. K. was allowed to continue her work under Davis from her home "because she
refused to work in Davis's presence." (Checchi's campaign should get a copy of the tape
recording Davis left on K.'s home telephone, in which he offers no apology to K. but simply
requests that she return to work, saying, "You know how I am." Well, we do now Gray. Of
course, the problem is that Davis's only serious Democratic opponent, Checchi--though not
missing obvious nuts or bolts like Davis--has also built his entire public life on a disturbing
fabrication which throws into severe doubt his ability and worthiness to run California
state government. As a San Jose Mercury News writer and a New Times writer showed in
recent exposes of Checchi's history at Northwest Airlines, Checchi's claims that he "saved"
Northwest in a dramatic takeover in 1989, and that he deserves to be governor of California
because he is a turnaround genius, are not supported by the facts. Northwest was not, in
fact, a troubled airline when Checchi--using inside information from his best college buddy
who sat on Northwest's board of directors--dreamed up a plan for buying up Northwest stock
with other investor's money and forcing Northwest into a position of selling the company to
Checchi and pals. In fact, the company spiraled into trouble and near-bankruptcy under
Checchi, requiring both major union concessions in 1993 and a huge government bail-out in
1992. Yet Checci openly chortles about how he risked less than $10 million of his own
money on the original $3.65 billion takeover deal, which has today made him a very rich man.
He is very, very proud and has every reason to be," insists Darry Sragow, Checchi's campaign
manager. With two men running for governor who are so willing to gloss over their
questionable histories, the unsettling tradition of "opposition research" may play a more
critical role than ever in the history of this race. (Op Research, if you're not a cynic in the
know, is the practice of hiring political assassins to dig up dirt. The damaging info is: A)
widely broadcast or B) dangled in private before the offending candidate as a way to silence
that candidate on a major issue on which they have been personally compromised. Garry
South, the talented campaign manager hired by Davis, has hired op research whiz Ace Smith
(I'm not kidding about that name) who operates his assassin outfit from the Bay Area. Darry
Sragow, the inspired campaign manager hired by Checchi, has hired the Berkeley and Houston
firm of Rice and Veroga. I asked both camp if they intend to go after the really Big Lies both
men are relying upon: Gray as the mild-mannered man of decency, Checchi as the savvy
savior of troubled institutions. Says Elena Stern, an official with Checchi's campaign: "Al is
adamant about not running a negative campaign, so he will only offer comparisons, not
attacks." One "comparison" Stern pointed out is that Davis' camp recently planted a hit
story against Checchi in the San Francisco Chronicle claiming that Checchi is facing a
discrimination lawsuit by a fired worker. The fine print, however, is that the suit was
thrown out by the 9th Circuit three years ago, and it arguably has little remaining merit.
Says Stern, "By comparison, Gray Davis has actually lost a race discrimination lawsuit"
filed against him by a former female employee. But is the Checchi camp going to unveil to
voters Davis's history of violent "incidents" and hysterical fits? Stern wouldn't say, and
Sragow said he "questions whether they way a candidate acts in private has anything
legitimate to do with the campaign. So I don't think you'll be hearing from us about whatever
violence is alleged amongst Gray's staff or others." By contrast, South, who admits that Ace
Smith has been digging up dirty for Davis's use "for nearly a year" seems far more prepared
to discuss the lie holding up the house that Checchi built. "Until he fucked up Northwest
Airlines, Checchi had visions of sugar plums about running for office in Minnesota, and
there were numerous local news reports about that in '89, '90 and '91, and about Checchi
even meeting with political consultants," says South. "He denies it now because he needs to
look like a loyal longtime resident of California, but we think voters want to know that his
interest in California is recent indeed." The ploy of trying to cover up one's sudden self-
serving interest in California did not work for another carpetbagging multimillionaire,
Michael Huffington, and it is likely to backfire on Checchi as well. For example, California
voters will be disturbed to know that shortly after the employees bailed out Northwest and
the government spent nearly $1 billion saving the airline, Checchi sold his Minneapolis
mansion in 1994, abandoned all thought of running for office there, and escaped back to
Beverly Hills. Once back, he barely took a breath before hiring consultants to explore running
for California governor. These two dreary choices for governor leave me hoping that DiFi
will jump into the race. Feinstein's hatred for Gray Davis is well-known, and a source close
to her confirmed to me last week that "She is still weight a late entry"--in part because she
can't imagine a worse fiasco than Governor Gray. And there's a solid chance that the
Republican gubernatorial candidate, Attorney General Dan Lungren, can beat the tainted
Democrats at the polls next year. But, unfortunately, Lungren is as free of meaningful ideas
as Kathleen Brown, who ran for governor in 1994, and voters may reject Lungren as swiftly
as they did Brown. So my question is simple: how did we get stuck in the position of hoping
that the job of governor of California, one of the most august positions of power in the
Western world, is not won by a mega-fibber or a closet wacko. The Democratic Party likes
to wheeze on about how it has all the answers. I'd love to hear them explain this one.
I was listening to O'Reilly tonite and he had on a woman who in 1980 interviewed Arnold,
she claims he was touching her on the knees. Well, yeah, that's inappropriate, but it hardly
rises to the level of (Drumbeat rolls) SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. Let's give it a big scary name and
use it to smear Arnold's reputation.
The woman also said that Arnold left a credit card at the interview and he called her and
asked her to bring it over to his hotel room. When she got there, as she stood in the doorway,
Arnold was half-dressed and he made a pass at her. Well, DUH! She said NO, and that ended it.
That hardly rises to SEXUAL MISCONDUCT in my book. (And I'm speaking as a female.)
The ad, which follows allegations in Thursday's Los Angeles Times that the gubernatorial
candidate groped women, Not that I condone Arnold's actions' But is seems like Moveon.org
thinks it's ok to Rape a women .. just as long as you don't touch her breats huh?
Certainly... and ponder the irony of the title of their organization - MoveOn. When it comes to
a Republican's sex life, its not a private matter and time to move on. Nope, no pledge to not
to wade into the politics of personal destruction either. Throw all that out of the window to
gimme up a political advantage over Arnold. MoveOn's commercial just had an effect, though
not the one they hoped for. I've made up my mind at last to vote for Arnold just to give the
liberals there the back of my hand and to screw 'em. There, I've finally come out of the
closet.
As someone else pointed out, this is the same freaking organization that started defending
the Molester in Chief--they have no moral standing here.
They never tried to address this clip of Bubba groping a stewardess' inner thigh (note that
she uses her hand to stop his wander fingers from going higher):
xxxxx Fuck You, Politicians ! xxxxx
Reports that the former bodybuilder had groped women and once said he
admired the Nazi leader surfaced Thursday as he set out on a four-day bus
tour from San Diego to Sacramento. His entourage was met by cheering
crowds as he promised to move California forward.
Earlier in the day in San Diego, Schwarzenegger addressed a Los Angeles
Times story in which six women accused him of sexually harassing and
groping them between 1975 and 2000.
"Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done things that
were not right, which I thought then was playful but now I recognize that I
offended people," he said.
E. Laine Stockton told the ``Today'' show that she was watching her then-
husband -- bodybuilder Robbie Robinson -- as he worked out at a gym in
Venice when ``Arnold passed me by and groped my breast. I was just taken
aback. I was so surprised, shocked.''
Arnold is saying he can grope women because people on movie sets play by a
different set of rules, I don't know that people will buy that."
He declined to discuss the groping allegations, saying earlier "The voters
will determine how significant that story is."
The allegations that Schwarzenegger groped women prompted
representatives of several women's organizations, including the California
chapter of the National Organization for Women, to plan a press conference
outside the first stop on Schwarzenegger's bus tour Friday to call on the
Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office to launch a criminal
investigation.
One woman who accused Schwarzenegger of inappropriate behavior told the
Los Angeles Times in Friday's edition that she was upset that
Schwarzenegger, before apologizing, had defended himself in part by calling
the situation "trash politics."
Another woman who initially chose to remain anonymous identified herself
as Nicole Alpert, a former waitress now working as a motivational speaker,
according to the newspaper. Alpert said the actor's apology was too narrow,
because he focused on actions on movie sets while her experience was at a
restaurant.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
In the final stretch of the California recall election, ex-Governor to be Gray Davis is pouring
on the mock shock as he suggests law enforcement should investigate Arnold
Schwarzenegger's alleged groping incidents.
"There have been some disturbing news stories about disrespect toward women, touching
them in inappropriate places," Davis told a women's forum in Oakland. "Mr. Schwarzenegger
has acknowledged doing at least some of that.
Davis said the incidents appear to constitute sexual battery and suggested that a law
enforcement agency should look into the allegations.
The flop sweat spritzing off the gray dufus is like something out of a Warner Brothers
cartoon. But the vile accusations of this desperate attack strategy should be put in
perspective. Democrat partisan group Move On, which was created to defend Bill Clinton over
the charges he sexually harassed Paula Jones and others, held a press conference attacking
Arnold for allegedly sexually harassing women. Got that?
The one "victim" they brought forward to complain about Arnie is a woman who said he
patted her on the butt in 1980 and said she looked great. Contrast this with then governor of
Arkansas who had state troopers escort Paula Jones to a hotel room where he whipped out
his schlong and said "Kiss it."
I don't know about you, but I think there's just a TAD difference in degrees here. And Move On
is upset about Arnold telling some woman she looked great, but Clinton's weenie wagging is
defensible?
"The difference is that Clinton was so brilliant," she said. If Arnold was a brilliant pol and
had this thing about inappropriate behavior, we'd figure a way of getting around it. I think
it's to our detriment to go on too much about the groping. But it's our way in. This is really
about the GOP trying to take California in 2004 and our trying to stop it."
The Democrats fail to realize that many people, men especially, are sick of this hypocrisy
about sexual harassment and the extremest nature of the feminist left. Women grope men
they don't know all the live long day and are never in trouble for it. But, if a man pats
someone on the butt that's sexual assault? Except if Clinton forces himself on someone
like Kathleen Willey, that's OK, because he's "brilliant"?
After having to live with all the Democrat dissembling over Clinton for eight years, many
people are finding this attack strategy appalling. Even those who were supporting
McClintock and jumping to Arnold's side because they see the injustice of it all. People are
going to send a message and I have a feeling it will be a big one.
What gets to me are the *Republicans* who criticize Arnold fans for being 'hypocritical'
about sexual harassment. As David Horowitz wrote last night on his blog,
"He pinched an actress in Hollywood? That makes him a boy scout by industry standards. This
is the town whose liberals give Academy Awards to their heroes who drug thirteen-year-
olds and rape them."
Hypocrisy is flying in all directions. But I think one shouldn't take accusations like this
seriously unless the people come forward and can document the time and date of the
incident. If it's even worth it. 99% of these "groping" incidents sound more like schoolyard
stuff.
Compare that to Clinton who is accused of a lot worse by women who have risked a lot to
come forward. None of these Arnold accusers say he did anything that would be deemed
sexual assault.
I forgot to mention another aspect of the Democrats' "Grope-A-Dope" strategy:
At some time in the past, it was alleged that a prominent feminist leader offered Bill
Clinton the same favor Monica Lewinsky provided, because she "...was grateful that he kept
abortion legal."
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor?
The media keeps talking about these accusations of Arnold being a groper.
16 women so far have come forward to say The Terminator groped them.
I'm not sure what that means in this context...really...would a smack on
the bum count as groping or are we talking about grabbing a boobie or even
more?
Female Barflies...what would you consider groping??
It implies handling or fondling in the dark...uncertainty...
Well, with the lights off one must allow for a greater margin of error ...
but even so ...
I'd have to say that groping is not as much about the acts committed as
the one committing the acts. That is, what could be perceived as a grope
from a sweaty Austrian acquaintance may be received as a stroke from a
known and sanctioned (recent or longtime) friend.
Part of the Arnold legend is the story of the time, back in the seventies,
when a woman seeing Arnold was so dumbfounded at his very existence
that all she could come up with was, "I just want to touch you"; Arnold's
tag line?"I don't blame you!"(with the big Arnold grin that you'll have to
imagine) Has Arnold touched a lot of women inappropriately? Most likely.
Have a lot of women touched Arnold inappropriately? Most likely. A
gentleman probably wouldn't, but Arnold is a huge mega mega star, with a
huge mega ego, and how much (genitalia) can you wave in a guy's face
before he thinks that its all up for grabs? Logan says: Cut Arnold a break
on this one. Some things come with the territory.
Okay. Groping, in my mind, is any unwanted physical contact. As a woman,
groping has usually entailed some kind of contact of a sexual nature. ie.
ass, breasts, even crotch - that has been my experience.
To cut Arnold a break is even more absurd than the average Joe. (Not that I
feel breaks should be given to "gropers"). As a body builder, Arnold
voluntarily put himself on display for all eyes to see, judge, lust after -
whatever. He does not deserve to be groped, even if many would
misunderstand his well oiled posing and flexing as an invitation. In
understanding this, he has even more a responsibility as a public figure,
to be respectful and unassuming where the touching is concerned.
Regardless of how big a mega star Arnold may be, unwanted touching is
still just that. Celebrity does not excuse one from the laws/
understandings that the rest of us "regular" people must live by. In my
opinion, the whole idea of celebrity as a ticket to do and JUSTIFY any
friggin' thing that you'd like, is even more grotesque and reprehensible.
I do also agree with opendoor in that, perception is relevant. What one
may consider a grope, another may consider a friendly gesture and context
is everything. Misunderstandings happen of course, but each reaction is
valid and must be dealt with. Interactions do require more than one being.
Gropers really need to learn some self control regardless of how
desireable a womens (or mans) body may be to them or how infatuated
they are with specific parts. Uninvited touching, especially of a sexual
nature, is unacceptable adult behavior. (We are not talking about a
reassuring touch on the arm or shoulder and even if we were there would
be some people who would be uncomfortable with that). When you were a
child and went to grab your auntie's big breasts, or your uncle's big balls
(as if! I've never seen a little girl do this, and don't know any women
personally who do this) didn't anyone tell you that's not what polite little
boys (or girls) do? I can understand the lack of restraint in a child but
honestly a grown man? In my personal experience I have never enjoyed,
been turned on by, or paused to contemplate the idea as a result of an
uninvited grope. In fact it makes me violent. Call me extreme but if your
hand ends up between my legs, or up the crack of my ass it better be
because I want it there.
Further contemplation on the subject of groping made me realize that not
only do I find gropers upsetting but the question itself seems quite
unbelievable. Do/did we really need to define this?!
As to whether it is OK for Arnold to lay lewd hands upon an unwilling
subject, I readily concede the answer to that is no. Would I want him to
get near my mother, sisters or nieces with those big groping weightlifter
hands? Hell no. In certain places and professions, however, a certain
amount of literal pressing of the flesh is inevitable, or at least not cause
for surprise and alarm. The gym, show biz, politics, and porno. Arnold has
been associated with every one of these things. If behavioural
conditioning works at all, and scientific research seems to bear that out,
Arnold cannot help but be the butt grabbing barbarian he is.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger abandoned a pledge to investigate claims that he groped
women, arguing any probe would be used as political fodder, his spokesman said. He
noted that no criminal investigation is under way into the harassment allegations.
"(Schwarzenegger) remains sincerely sorry to anyone he may have offended, but
there comes a time to move on and focus on the critical issues facing the state,"
Stutzman said.
Five days before the election, the Los Angeles Times detailed allegations from six
women who said Schwarzenegger groped or sexually harassed them between 1975
and 2000. By the Oct. 7 election, the number had grown to 16.
Schwarzenegger apologized for having "behaved badly" toward women in the past
but refused to discuss the allegations in detail until after he was elected. He told
"Dateline NBC" on Oct. 5 that after the campaign, "I can get into all of the specifics
and find out what is really going on."
Attorney General Bill Lockyer called for a full investigation last month. But
spokesman Nathan Barankin said Monday that no criminal investigation is possible
because the statute of limitations for prosecuting the alleged crimes had expired.
The announcement that Schwarzenegger would not pursue his own investigation
came hours after a woman who claimed she was groped a decade ago sued the
governor and his campaign spokesman for libel.
Miller made the groping allegations in a news conference on Oct. 7, the day before
the California gubernatorial recall election, with well-known attorney Gloria
Allred by her side.
She said Schwarzenegger lifted her shirt to photograph her breasts and groped her
twice when she worked as a stunt double on the film "Terminator 2: Judgment Day"
in 1991 and in 1994 on the set of "True Lies."
The search turned up a Rhonda Miller with a long criminal history that included
prostitution, forgery and drug selling. But that woman had a different birth date.
Miller said she has never been arrested and that false information about her was
broadcast on national television reports.
Attorney Paul Hoffman, who is representing Miller and Allred in the libel lawsuit, said
that the Schwarzenegger campaign deliberately misled reporters to raise doubts
about her harassment allegations until the election was over.
The e-mail "does not state specifically that this is the same woman who was making
the claim the night before the election," Singer said.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold & Singer ! xxxxx
The British media reports on Schwarzenegger's gropings and affair with a
former Little House on the Prairie actress. Meanwhile, the U.S. media continues
to ignore reports of the Groping Governor Wannabe's extramarital affairs and
groping sessions.
Say what you want about the British media's fascination with sexual scandals,
but at least the press there is consistent, giving fairly equal coverage to the
extramarital affairs by both Republicans and Democrats. Meanwhile, the U.S.
media continues to ignore reports of California Gov. Wannabe and Groper Arnold
Schwarzenegger's extramarital affairs and groping sessions.
That gives more credence to the notion that the American media reports on such
aspects of a politician's character mostly if they involve Democrats. If
Schwarzenegger was a Democrat running for office and not a Republican with
the blessing of the White House, CNN and Fox and MSNBC and others would be
doing 24-hour coverage on his extracurricular sexual activities.
The London Evening Standard laid out Schwarzenegger's history of groping and
sexual harassment against women nicely on Monday. The Standard was one of
many newspapers I contacted and sent information after I wrote some columns
on that same subject for various Internet sites about a week ago. Has anyone
seen any other similar stories in U.S. newspapers? I have not.
The Standard's story is by Wendy Leigh, author of Arnold: An Unauthorised
Biography. It's important to note that TV cameras actually recorded Robot Man
putting his hand on Terminator 3 co-star Kristanna Loken's butt while they
waved to the crowds from a balcony with Maria close by them a mere few weeks
ago. Not even Packwood would be that bold. And Republicans and some Democrats
still think this 'family man' is fit to be governor of California?
Leigh says that when Robot Man came to London in 2000, his behavior led
insiders to label him 'the octopus.' When TV interviewer Anna Richardson
interviewed Schwarzenegger about his recent movie, he reportedly asked her
pointblank if her breasts were real. 'He then pulled her onto his knee, circled her
nipple with his finger, squeezed it and announced: ''Yeah, they are real,'' Leigh
reported.
And when Denise Van Outen interviewed him, Robot Man 'slapped her bottom,
then brushed his arm against her breast. Afterwards, he smirked: ''It was a
handful. I never know if my wife's watching. I'll tell her it was a stuntman,''
Leigh reported.
There was another interesting bit about Schwarzenegger's alleged affair with
Gigi Goyette, who Leigh says was a former Little House on the Prairie actress.
In 2001, the National Enquirer reported on this affair, naming Goyette. That
report said the couple met when she was 16 and he was 28 and unmarried, and
they had sex. That would be a crime, I believe, to have sex with an under-aged
girl, even in California. They separated, only to meet again in 1989 and continue
the affair for some seven years.
Schwarzenegger and his handlers have denied such affairs and even the on-
camera gropings, which are recorded for all to see. To them, the gropings are
just friendly banter.
Of course, Kennedy women are used to such treatment and bribes to stay
married; Leigh says that Jackie Kennedy accepted a whopping $1 million from
Joe Kennedy to stay with JFK after she tired of his extramarital affairs. For the
record, I didn't like the Kennedys doing that kind of crap and covering up their
affairs with bribes - that at least borders on criminal behavior. But not even
JFK was brazen enough to hold another woman's butt in front of his wife, as
Schwarzenegger has done on camera.
The 2001 National Enquirer did not have Goyette confirming the affair, as
Leigh's story and a column a week earlier in The Guardian did. The latter British
newspaper's column said Goyette made the claim on a TV program called 'Arnold
Schwarzenegger - Made In Britain.'
On that show, Goyette described herself as not so much a mistress, but as Robot
Man's 'avenue of relaxation.' She also explained Schwarzenegger's fondness for
groping this way: 'Sure, he will sometimes grab a woman's ass and say, like,
''Hey, you've got a nice ass.' But it is just, like, his way of making them feel
better. Every woman likes to get a compliment from time to time.'
I've never tried giving a woman a 'compliment' by grabbing her butt myself, but
the men I know who do usually get slapped or scolded - real fast. Some states
even arrest men for sexual assault for doing that.
Leigh says that the roots of Schwarzenegger's attitudes on women date to his
Austrian teen-age years. His father, Gustav, worried about Robot Man's sexuality
since he was obsessed with bodybuilding, an activity that, rightly or wrongly,
has gay connotations.
So Gustav encouraged his son to bring girls to their home in Graz. That paid off,
Leigh reported. 'By the time Arnold was 19 and had come to England to compete
in the Mr Universe contest, his appetite for women was well-developed - as was
his crude approach to them. Newcastle bodybuilder John Citrone told me: ''Any
time we were in hotels or bars, he'd ask girls straight out: ''Do you want to come
to bed with me?' He was very forward,'' Leigh reported. So again, why should I
care if the Republican candidate for governor of California is a hypocritical
adulterer and groper? Isn't that only the business of Schwarzenegger and Maria
and God, as we Clinton defenders said during the Monica days?
For one thing, the accusations against Schwarzenegger include some that are not
just extramarital affairs between consenting adults. Some involve sexual
harassment towards women who wanted nothing to do with Robot Man; at least
one report involves him slamming the woman against a wall after she said no.
That's a crime in most states, even California.
That's the most important reason for me pursuing this. Then, I repeat what I
wrote in an earlier column: If Schwarzenegger wasn't hypocritically
campaigning as a good family man, taking Maria and the kids with him on
campaign stops, I might give him a break. If he was running for mayor of
Brentwood, not the most populous U.S. state with the most electoral votes in the
life-and-death 2004 presidential race in which we HAVE to kick Bush out of the
White House, I might cut him some slack.
If Republicans hadn't wasted millions in the 1990s investigating President
Clinton's private life and trying to oust him over lying about an affair, I might
say 'hasta la vista' to my campaign to publicize Republican Schwarzenegger's
extramarital affairs and bold gropings that at least border on sexual assault. If
we knew something about what Schwarzenegger might do as California governor,
I might back off. If Schwarzenegger would - or could - tell us his vision for the
state or speak about exactly how he will solve California's earthquake-sized
budget woes, I might stop writing right here.
After my columns on Schwarzenegger ran, I have received many emails and read
many other reports from people who say they know women who were sexually
harassed or had an affair with the Terminator. Someone who contacted me is
trying to organize a group that will speak out publicly. If you know a woman who
has been sexually harassed by Schwarzenegger and would like to join others in
speaking out.
Finally, it was expected that someone like Rob Lowe, who once video-taped a
sexual session of him in bed with two women - one of whom was under-aged -
during a Democratic National Convention, would join Schwarzenegger's
campaign. After all, they can go out together hunting for under-aged girls to
grope.
While some support me on this campaign, even fellow progressives have told me
to lay off this sex stuff and focus on issues like Iraq and the economy. My
response is that enough people are focusing on Iraq and the economy. Polls show
that most American voters support what Bush is doing in Iraq but not on the
economy. So if anything, we should be focusing more on the lousy economy and
Bush's inability to do anything to improve it as he takes another month-long
vacation. Oh wait, that's how Bush is improving the economy, by getting the hell
out of the White House and going on vacation. That might work better than tax
cuts for the super wealthy.
And I still think that if voters know that Republicans like Schwarzenegger have
extramarital affairs and might have even committed assault while publicly
acting like good family men, it will affect the way most Americans vote more
than most other issues. That's just the way the game is played these days. I'm
not making up the rules, I'm just trying to take full advantage of them.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
As the grope toll for Arnold Schwarzenegger campaign continues to climb, the California
gubernatorial candidate today emphasized his concern for women's issues.
"I feel for women in the workplace," said Mr. Schwarzenegger. "I am familiar with their
struggles, and I hear their complaints. I have a concern for their needs that is almost
palpable. I want to be a champion with women."
The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday that four more women claim that Mr.
Schwarzenegger had touched them inappropriately, some as recently as the year 2000. That
brings the total number of allegedly-fondled women to 15.
"I was a bad boy, because I didn't know I was going to run for governor," he said. "So, I'm
sorry for those women who are so easily offended." "Where there's smoke there's fire," he
added. "And where there's fire people get burned and have blisters and skin grafts and
lifelong scars...and...I'm not sure what that means, but I'm going to clean house in
Sacramento."
Fantastic quote from a "feminist" activist at the anti-Arnold rally yesterday. Film producer
and Codepink activist Patricia Foulkrod explained why she was so fervently pro-Clinton and
so outraged by Arnold: "The difference is that Clinton was so brilliant... If Arnold was a
brilliant pol and had this thing about inappropriate behavior, we'd figure a way of getting
around it. I think it's to our detriment to go on too much about the groping. But it's our way
in. This is really about the GOP trying to take California in 2004 and our trying to stop it."
"I feel for women in the workplace".... so did I, then my boss told me to stop it or I'd be
outside lookin' in....
Where are these women that never complain about being fondled until you run for public
office. I'm never running for anything. Where are they? Where, where? Please tell me where
to find them?
Woman running up to NOW Help Desk: Help! I've been sexually assaulted! NOW woman: We will
find and prosecute him. Victim: He groped and fondled me! Now woman: We'll BASH his brains
in! Victim: He made me do it because he said I'd be fired if I said "no"! NOW woman - WE'LL
CASTRATE HIM!!!! Victim: He's a democratic politician! Now woman - you slut.
Being a Democrat means 'never having to say you are sorry'
Check out Jill Stewart's article on Drudge - I've been seeing this report for a week or more,
which makes Arnold's proclivities seem minute compared to Gray Davis' battering of women
on his office staff.
I don't condone Arnold's behavior, but I find it amusing that Alpha Male Clinton was
permitted "one free grope" by Gloria Steinem, because that's the way Alpha Males are.
The vile Maureen Dowd even got it right: "Feminism died in 1998 when Hillary allowed
henchlings and Democrats to demonize Monica as an unbalanced stalker, and when Gloria
Steinem defended Mr. Clinton against Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones by saying he had
merely made clumsy passes, then accepted rejection, so there was no sexual harassment
involved. As to his dallying with an emotionally immature 21-year-old, Ms. Steinem noted,
'Welcome sexual behavior is about as relevant to sexual harassment as borrowing a car is to
stealing one.' Surely what's good for the Comeback Kid is good for the Terminator."
I have a concern for their needs that is almost palpable.
I'm voting for Arnold because I'm all in favor of heavy petting.
Californians that Inhaled and Touched Boobies!
FEELINGS (Arnold's song)
Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
Can't they just forget my... feelings of love?
Scandal... messing up my campaign,
Please just make me Gov'nor -
I von't do it again.
Feelings... I vas just being playful.
I wish I'd never groped those girls;
I'll never grope again.
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
By ze vay, Baby - do you vant to feel my arms?
Maria, I vas just being playful
Zis should not surprise you
After all, I'm just a man.
Tabloids, for all my life I'll see them.
I wish I'd never felt those girls;
I'll never grope again.
Recall - sure hope I've haven't lost it
Why can't zese puny girly-men
Pick on someone their own size?
Feelings, wo-o-o feelings,
By ze vay, Baby - do you vant to feel my arms?
Feelings...(repeat & fade)
I am outraged at all of this last second victimhood. You want to be a victim, claim your
victim status at the time. If you are going to accuse me of running you off the road, do it
when it happens. Don't wait until I'm up for Motor Vehicle of Year.
While watching a Fox News show over the weekend, a Democratic operative observed that
Arnold had to take responsibility for his conduct, that this was why women wouldn't come
forward, because they would be accused of being compliant, they were dressed
provacitavely, they would be asked why they waited so long to report it. He said it was an
outrage - that he supported women in these situations. Jones, Willey, Lewinsky and Broderick were glad to hear it.
I'm still waiting for them to bring out his kindergarten report cards- "Sources today alledge
that Ah-nold did not play well with others as a child- Davis calls for full investigation."
moi, je suis trop loin pour vous inviter !
If Arnold changed that little (R) after his name to a (D), all his problems would be solved.
He'd instantly transform from a drooling masher to a brilliant statesman with a rascally
streak, and all the poor women he victimized would magically become opportunistic trailer
trash who came onto him and got what they deserved.
There are worse things then getting "fondeled". Personally, if Arnold fondeled me I would
tell all my friends, and then promptly go vote for him. I am a heterosexual man.
Just got fondeled on October 6, 2003 12:36 PM
When I worked with Arnie - correction, he worked for me - he couldn't remember a single
line nor hit any of his marks. Has something changed?
I actually fondled Arnold once, but he reacted violently and of course I said: "Not in the face,
not in the face!"
"Later I met another nice boy parked over by the commissary and in all the confusion I forgot
to mention it to the LA Times. But now I remember exactly what happened -- he was such a
brute!"
Ah, for the good old days when the rule of thumb held true: "The only way to ruin your career
in Washington is to get caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl."
When Clinton was on the hot seat, one of his myrmidons came back from an international
conference on something-or-other and reported the following assessments of his lusty
behavior: The Africans wanted to know why he hadn't fathered more children with his harem;
the French wondered why he didn't have more affairs and acknowledge them proudly; and the
Russians wanted to know why Monica was still alive.
I wonder how many of these "victims" bragged to their girlfriends about being touched by a
movie star? Apparently, he patted one of them on the tush and complimented her shapely
rear. I'm sure she blushed and said "Oh, thank you, Mr. Schwarzenegger!" Of course, being on
the Democrat payroll puts everything in a different light. Not to be insensitive to you ladies
out there, but.. Why is it you spend hours making yourself as attractive as you can (many in a
very provocative way), and then get bent out of shape when a man so much as looks at you? I
understand there are lines & limits, but give us guys a break! And remember one thing, the
vast majority of men were raised by women! You moms have (had) the chance to teach your
sons respect for women, if you don't, the guys in the lockerroom will get a shot a
influencing them.
In 1988 I was groped by Vicky Peterson of the BANGLES (true story, one of my favorites!).
She better think twice about running for political office. Vicky,there is only one way out of
this for you, GROPE ME AGAIN. Don' have this threat held over your head, get it over with and
group me again, or forget elected office for ever.
But I learned pretty quickly to dress down when I was out on dates with my future husband.
Guys in a bar will make all sorts of remarks and I didn't want him to feel he had to defend
me, so although I wanted to look nice for him I toned it down to avoid problems.
But there's another side of this, too. Guys will be more aggressive with women who appear
passive or approachable - it's not always the way a woman dresses. There's a definite power
thing there, too.
Honestly, few women mind subtle looks - in fact, we're flattered. But open staring, rude
remarks, unsolicited touching, or persistent unwelcome advances are just plain bad
manners.
I never used to go running during the day, because I really hated the honking, whistling, and
dumb remarks. It was embarrassing and made me self-conscious to the point I couldn't enjoy
the run.
When I was younger, I used to wish guys like that had to be female for a day - in spite of all
the jokes, you would not enjoy being on the receiving end of that type of attention for long.
Fondle is such an ugly word. Let us use the phrase "caress". Who wouldn't want to be
caressed by Arnold the Austrian?
The Davis physical abuse of women on his staff has been known for years, but the brave
California journalists have sat on the story.
I am almost starting to change my opinion of Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamonte, especially
since "Arnold the Barbarian" has groped and pillaged his way to the top of the political
mainstream like some "Conan" warlord. I just wish Gray Davis and his "E-TV Campaign
Management Team" would have told me earlier than two days before I actually punched my
chad. You don't think they could have an ulterior motive do you? Polecat cornered? No, not a
professional politician like Gray Davis. Maybe I have been wrong all this time? Do we really
want a professional actor to take the place of a professional politician? I used to think they
were the same thing, just different zip codes.
Murders in California increased in 2002 - 2003 -11.9%. We will become less overcrowded on
the freeways - one-way or the other. But the important thing is that "Transvestite on
Transvestite" crime has been at a standstill and they can still wear Paisley to work. Just in
time for fall colors.
Bustamonte's hometown (Fresno) did have 23.95% more murders - but in fairness to Cruz -
rapes were actually down 22%. Fresno did receive more than their fair share of [scientology
derived/touchy feely/politicaly correct schoolbooks] and this new way of thinking might
have been due to the school textbook initiative. Illiterate men who have their hands busy
turning pages in a good schoolbook tend to have less time to grope and fondle.]
Picture a future world (circa 2031) in which the Democrats have taken over the world. A
small band of Republican hold-outs decide to send the Terminator back through time to meet
Hilary Clinton in order to "juggle" her breasts and pinch her rear.
HA! Tex Watson nailed that one. All the Terminator needs to do is go back in time, pinch their
rears some more, and then smite them with his shotgun. While he is at it, he could get Gray
Davis, Bill Clinton, and yes, even Hillary. (I guess he could pinch their bottoms too.)
I'm still trying to figure out how one "juggles" someone else's bosom (see, I AM capable of
being delicate)?
The Bangles did not sing "I touch myself." That was one hit wonder the Divinyls.
Barbara Mandrell kissed me once. I was a young lad, and I asked for it. Nonetheless, I think
all three sisters should come by and appoligize.
Grey Davis - Accused of battering his women staffers. Arnold - Accused of fondling his
female co-workers. Bustamante - Accused of being affiliated with a Mexican-American
racist group that advocates among other things returning Southwest America to Mexico.
McClintock - Competent, intelligent and experienced, but since he's not a Hollywood star and
not promising state sponsored 'everything' for illegal aliens, he's unelectable.
Makes me feel a bit better coming from a state that elects a drunken, woman abusing
homicidal drunk driver every 4 years.
I'm Too Sexy by Right Said Fred. It was no.
In my experience, women are generally more giving than men early in the relationship. There
are exceptions, and I've noticed quite a few guys who encounter those exceptions got into
the relationship based on looks rather than perhaps looking below the surface at the
woman's personal qualities. Looks and initial attraction fade, but personality just gets
better and better as one ages. And there's always make-up :)
You know I voted for Clinton, not because he was a groper, because he was good for the
economy. Yesterday Davis signed a universal health insurance bill which forces small
businesses to provide health care for all employees. With out raising taxes Davis has
effectively pushed even more small businesses out of California. I could care less about
some out of work actress and her spanked fanny. The truth be told these girls are angling to
be in the "Girls of Schwarzeneggar" issue of Playboy , just like Paula Jones. I find it telling
that the "immature 21 year old" Monica hasn't been in a girly magazine. Perhaps because she
was the only one that was a real victim.
I almost laughed myself silly when I saw Bustamonte saying that if it had been his daughter
that Arnie groped he'd be settling it "up close and personal." As if that pimple could do
anything but bruise Arnold's fists with his face. I see that Frenchy hasn't been posting on
this thread. I guess he's just upset 'cause next leader of California will have a German
accent, and he misses having that in France.
Papertiger, you are kidding about why Monica has never appeared nude in any magazines,
right? She would need an air-roller instead of an air-brush for the touch-ups!
My brother told me something funny about Bustamonte, apparently in trying to capitalize on
Arnold's grope scandal, he claimed that if Arnold had treated any woman in his family like
that he would have had to settle it with his fists!! My money is on Arnold in that one!
Arnold praised OJ, but didn't grope him.
Speaking of ugly, check out the girl acusing Arnold of being a groper.I'll give you a hint she's
not the monkey. But she is a street hooker.
Err I mean this man is a disgrace, this man hates women, do we really want a groper in chief
in California?
Doesn't much matter now folks. The GROPER is in. After his amazing adress to the public last
night, there will be "no time for movies, and no time for groping". Sounds like his priorities
are in order.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Schwarzenegger Wants Recall of Questions About Sexual Harassment
.. Until Campaign is Over
With at least 15 women having come forward with accusations of sexual harassment,
Republican gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger wants Californians to know that
he does have an answer to the charges reported in the Los Angeles Times. He just isn't
sharing them right now.
Now he is refusing to explain charges that he sexually harassed more than a dozen women.
As of right now, Californians don't even know if Mr. Schwarzenegger believes it's wrong to
grope a woman against her will. If he cannot find a reason to be held accountable now, odds
are that reason won't magically appear on Wednesday morning."
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly apologized for "bad behavior"
toward women. New reports that the former bodybuilder had
groped women surfaced Thursday as he began a four-day
campaign bus tour. Schwarzenegger's popularity had surged
in the polls, and his entourage was met by cheering crowds.
Hours before the reported comments about Hitler surfaced
Thursday, Schwarzenegger addressed allegations in the Los
Angeles Times, which reported the claims of six women who
accused him of sexually harassing and groping them between
1975 and 2000.
"Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done
things that were not right, which I thought then was playful but
now I recognize that I offended people," Schwarzenegger said.
"Those people that I have offended, I want to say to them I am
deeply sorry."
The San Diego Union-Tribune, which last week endorsed
Schwarzenegger, called on him Friday to respond in more detail
to the sexual harassment allegations.
"Questions remain," the newspaper said in an editorial. "What
was it about his basic character that made him ever think such
behavior was appropriate and acceptable? ... He says he is now
a changed man. How has he changed?"
He instead delivered his stump speech promises of restoring
glory to California before an enthusiastic crowd of more than
1,000. Some supporters held signs reading: "Gray Davis groped
me ... While reaching for my wallet."
He declined to discuss the groping allegations, saying, "The
voters will determine how significant that story is."
The Los Angeles Times said none of the actor's political
opponents put reporters in touch with the women and that none
had come forward on their own. None had brought legal action
against Schwarzenegger, the newspaper said.
Representatives of several women's organizations, including
California NOW, said Friday they would call on the Los Angeles
County district attorney's office to launch a criminal
investigation into the groping allegations.
"This is not just philandering or adultery - this is stuff that
people get fired for pretty regularly," said Bruce Cain, a political
scientist at University of California, Berkeley. "If Arnold is
saying he can grope women because people on movie sets play by
a different set of rules, I don't know that people will buy that."
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold ! xxxxx
Gray Davis ain't even touching the sexual harrassment crap that's come out against The
Muscles That Ain't From Brussels, so I won't either.
Ok, I think I was wrong. I gave Davis a pass for not playing up the Schwarzenegger
grope-a-thon. I thought maybe he was trying to be a decent guy. Nope. He was just trying to
make sure his own shady past didn't get dredged up in return.
And to banish the spectre of Clinton: No one's claiming Ahnold's a rapist, yet. And it didn't
take millions of public dollars, all while his media machine is busy attacking his accusers,
to force him to come clean.
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold & Clinton ! xxxxx
In a turbulent race filled with dizzying plot twists, it didn't take much to
set off the tightly wound pack of journalists trailing Arnold
Schwarzenegger over the weekend as he tried to outrun an avalanche of
charges from women who said they had to fend off unwanted advances
from the Hollywood star.
So when a teary-eyed woman grasping a manila envelope turned up in
Modesto on Saturday asking to speak with Schwarzenegger about a ``very,
very personal matter,'' the journalists shifted into scandal mode.
Rumors quickly circulated through the dozens of reporters starved for
information: She was showing photographs of a child. She was
Schwarzenegger's latest groping victim. No one seemed to know for sure.
As Schwarzenegger spokesman Rob Stutzman tried to escort the woman
away from the chaos, reporters shouted questions: Did you know Arnold?
Did Arnold Schwarzenegger touch you?
``I'm out here to be groped by Arnold Schwarzenegger,'' said Venus
Delarosa as she whittled on a stick at a Sacramento rally Sunday. ``If
that's the only thing they can say about Arnold Schwarzenegger -- go for
it. I saw those women; they were lucky that he wanted to grope them.''
When Code Pink activists stormed the press platform in Pleasanton on
Saturday chanting ''no groper for governor'' during Schwarzenegger's
speech, supporters of the actor taunted the women. One threw a plastic
water bottle.
While the campaign staff handed out Budweiser, two young female aides
plopped down on Schwarzenegger spokesman Todd Harris' lap amid jokes
about groping.
Schwarzenegger himself tried to keep his humor at a pit stop at an In-N-
Out Burger in Gorman when an ebullient female supporter enveloped the
actor in an over-enthusiastic embrace.
''Don't do it,'' he joked, ''otherwise it will be in the papers again.''
xxxxx Fuck You, Arnold & Clinton ! xxxxx